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Age of Empires 2: The Conquerors Tactics & Guides -> Random Map -> 20 Knights in 20 minutes
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20 Knights in 20 minutes
Introduction:
Basically, my aim is to get 20 knights in 20 minutes. It sounds impossible, but is not. This strategy involves using the Teutons because of their cheaper farms. Many other civs are viable also but because of the teuton''s farm bonus, it enables you to have less woodcutters, or more farmers. This strategy is specifically for pocket players only. You can risk using this strategy if you were on the sides, but that would be a big risk.
What you need:
- 4 sheep + bonus 2 sheep, don''t really need the other bonus sheep but you can if you want
- 2 boars.
- Don''t need to hunt deer, but if they are close, you can hunt them.
- Berry bush.
The build up:
Well, its just like most build ups;
- 6 on sheep, 1 forager, 2 woodcutters and 1 house builder/boar lurer are the first set of villagers
- By 10 minutes, you should have achieved
the following:
* 26/30 population
* 14 villagers on food
* 11 villagers on wood
* + scout
(or something like that)
You want to mine gold after the 10 minute mark too... trust me, you will need it. I have tested this strategy over 10 times and found that you will need LOTS of gold, repeat, LOTS of gold
- Transfer 2 FROM food to gold and make town centre gathering point to gold
- Now you can look at your resources and see do you need more food, if you do, make some villagers to go to food instead
- With a population of 32, click feudal
- By now, you
should have:
* 32/50
* 11 villagers on wood still
* about 12 on food
* 7 gold miners
* and 1 builder building barracks while feudaling
* + scout - As soon as you get to feudal, build blacksmith with 3 woodcutters and a stable with 1- 2 miners and queue 3 villagers at town center
- With the 3 villagers who built the blacksmith, make another mining camp at a different gold mine
- The 3 villagers you made FROM the town centre go to the new gold mine
Advance to Castle Age
- Meanwhile, DON'T do any upgrades because it is impossible to achieve 20 knights in 20 minutes if you did do upgrades
- Using the same builder who built the stables, build 3 more stables, in total of 4
- Make more houses
- As soon as you hit castle, train knights... do NOT make villagers FROM the town centre, it won''t work
- Queue knights is top priority (queue farms at the mill to save some time)
- You should have 12 miners and only 8 woodcutters
- By 20 minutes, you should have queued (non-stop) 20 knights AND more coming
- FROM there, is up to you.
By HC_Shanks__
Comments:
| 19.12.06 18:47 - Narse |
| I've found that 3 stables are ok, that leaving 1 lumberjack free from the beginning. also, except for when u build the farms for the 1st time, mainly what u do with lumberjacks is save wood till when u have to rebuild all farms, build the blacksmith and the 3 stables (2 in my opinion), so wouldn't it work a bit better if u used some lumberjacks from the beginning to get food and then get the lumber u need for the farms and stables right before building them? anther thing, the 1st stable i think should be built with a farmer. how would this strat work on 1v1? and is there a way to counter a small archer flush if u began with this strat? |
| 21.12.06 23:26 - =P |
| i think u shouldnt try to counter any flush with this, unless enemy is noob.. just my opinion.. |
| 22.12.06 06:59 - Narse |
| enemy IS noob, but he can still get some archers in my base before minute 23 (the best timing i did), so i want to have a chance against those archers and still be able to get the 20 knights, even if a bit later |
| 24.01.07 10:05 - kaiser! |
| 20 knights in 20:00 not possible with this startegy.... because here are the time details 28vills+loom=725 secs fuedal advance=130secs 3 more vills=75 secs castel advance=160 secs.. which means 725+130+75+160=1090 sec+10secs(realistic)=1100 secs=18min 20 secs therefore we are left with only 100 secs before 20 mins time bomb.. in 100 secs you cannot make more than 8 knights from 4 stables. |
| 25.01.07 21:28 - phaeton |
| Couldnt reach that in 20 minutes in several tries.. but u can have it on 21 or 22... with a hun on team 20 can be reached |
| 02.02.07 15:47 - aoe |
| all the enemy has to do is have 15 spearman and a few walls and they can defend themselves. |
| 20.06.07 01:17 - lol |
| thats the point, y would an enemy have 15 idle spears? He would probably use them to explore or flush (if they were smart) About the walls... knights can take them down, fast. FC beats Turtle... |
| 24.06.07 19:56 - Huber_Gral.Andrés_R |
| Hey ^^ made a rec game to downlad :D it will be interesting , very interesting !! ! |
| 27.06.07 07:34 - emaster |
| omg, 15 spears cannot defend against 20 knights, that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my etire life. Seriously, I have never heard anything more dumb in my entire life. A spearmen's attack is 3, double it it is 7. The attack of a knight is 10 add in the armor in the units, the knight still does 10 damamge and the spearmen does 5. The spearman has 45 hit points, and the knight has 100. so against 15 spearmen, all you need to do is send one group of like 8 knights to attack them, and send the other one(s) to attack the rest of their base |
| 02.07.07 06:42 - Steele |
| emaster you're right about 15 spearmen cant beat 20 knights but spearmen do 18 damage to knights. (2 blocked by armour so that's 16 damage) though the thing is 15 spearmen can be produced way faster and cheaper than 20 knights. if ur enemy has advanced to castle age too, the pikemen would do 26 damage to the knights. Anyways, if by any chance ur enemy found out that ur going to rush him with knights, he'll surely have enough time to build enough spearmen to counter ur knights. |
| 11.07.07 16:41 - Calado |
| It's possible with the Huns, that no need houses and stable works 20% faster. I've done this in about 20 min with this tatic. But it's impossible to survive the 20 minutes in a 1v1 without any military unit. |
| 11.08.07 20:20 - Poet |
| Tried it in a 2v2. Tuetons and Aztecs verse Brtions and Japanese. Aztec teammate was noob, did no help. Britons was on far side of map and provided a retreat for japanese. I was able to get 25-30 knights out in 20-25 min. to harass the Japanese and upgraded them quickly enough to take out all but the Japanese castle and a few building close to it. Then I was able to Tuetonic Knight strom the castle drawing fire. The combp of Paladins and TK's worked well until my Aztec partner quit (w/o engaging in battle alongside me) and left me to fight Briton Longbow men guarded by pikemen w/ samurai |
| 13.08.07 22:47 - |
| Teutons aren't my top choice for 3v3 becouse you have high change not being in the pocket where cheap farms really help you. Well, it isn't much different to do this with huns or mongols. |
| 10.11.07 22:46 - Myth |
| At what time u reach feudal age with this strat ?? |
| 21.04.08 11:24 - Johnny talk talk |
| yeah Huns works a bit better 4 me |
| 28.04.08 11:29 - cutlass |
| thing those knights can't stand janissary, event just 10 ones |
| 28.04.08 11:31 - cutlass |
| thing those knights can't stand janissary, event just 10 ones |
| 11.05.08 02:59 - |
| what is the best counter for this? it took me 42 spearmen to win and i had less than 5 left. also my friend can get to imp age with 2 castles in 16 min. HOW?? |
| 07.06.08 13:21 - Paladin_X_Lover |
| i love padadin very much, this meant i love knight too. think i should have 2 blacksmiths n' 4 stables beacuz researching will makes future paladin (i mean upgraded knight) stronger. so i chose spanish, bet huns good choice too (no house and faster knight train) |
| 09.06.08 13:50 - Green_Parrot |
| Imperial in 16 minutes is not possible with normal settings. I think the fastest time without sling is a bit over 20 minutes. If you want to counter this strategy in 1v1 the best choice is archer flush or about 5 scouts and fc. The other weakness of this is that it leaves you with a terrible economy. Another way to counter this is make camels/pikes/monks and just defend and outboom enemy by making multiple tcs fast. |
| 21.06.08 01:23 - danny k |
| this is a good thing it will hep me ive bin playin for 7 yrs and now i know some more thanks danny k |
| 21.06.08 01:31 - Danny k |
| ive bin playin for 7 yrs and ive learnt a lot of thing on age of the empires it makes it easy when you get used to it 1.the first thing i do is get 3 barracks 2 seige training camps and 2 stables i get 25 of the catapults 20 of the knights and 20 pikemen and 25 champions i send the catapults in and see how many it can kill then i send the sword men with the pikemen men then i send the knights in and it works all the time so have a try and c for ur self good luck |
| 21.06.08 07:31 - Sir Keldan |
| advanced to imperial with teutons in 14:23 |
| 25.06.08 18:52 - Karim |
| Awesome strategy, I managed to queue 11 Knights by 20:00 min. By the 27:00 min I had 37 Knights and I had won the game on my very first try!! Just perfect! |
| 17.07.08 19:30 - mkd |
| "By 20 minutes, you should have queued (non-stop) 20 knights AND more coming" The key word here is "queued" not 'made' 20 free for use at 20 minutes. It's a little misleading, but I feel some of the comments posted have assumed that. |
| 22.08.08 17:19 - Executor |
| By 20 mins you can have 10+ knights and 10+ cav archers queued/coming, by 23 mins u'll hit ur enenmy with around 20-30 knights/cav archers. using huns, and getting all econ/BS upgrades except Blacksmith. I didn't follow the guide religiosly but developed my own around the idea. So far i havent found anyoen capable of countering it |
| 22.08.08 17:20 - Executor |
| Sorry, i meant all upgrades except WHeelbarrow/Handcart. With Celts I can do a fast castle and upgrade to imperial by around 24 mins, and hit my enemy with woad raiders/knights/trebuchet. |
| 23.08.08 13:49 - matt |
| The only way to counter this is to flush, as with this tactic they dont have any army before 20 mins |
| 25.08.08 03:36 - Executor |
| skilled players can manage to output, easily, twice the number of pikemen. which is the breaking point. And as he's fighting on home turf this can bring ur plans down in 1v1 play. However, i find using hte huns, mixing Knights+Cav archers alleviates this a bit. But also, using celts, u can manage to get a castle upon moment u hit castle age and output woad raiders and cav archers. this can be devastating if u mix strategies so ur opponent if he prepapred with pikes, is gonna get badly owned by the woad raiders/cav archer combo. |
| 29.08.08 08:24 - executor |
| also, if u r more skilled at micromanaging, u can do a faster castle with 24, 25 or 27 villagers. these are less stable set ups, but if ur good at it, u can easily hit castle and train knights in less 18mins easily. by using deer and less woodcutters it is infact possible to get a 15min castle and still stream knights from 1 or 2 stables. esp as perisans thx to increased workrate + extra resources. I'd also omit loom if u can micro well enuff to not get ur villagers killed. I only research loom when i have more than 1 tc up. like after 2-4 TCs in the castle age. |
| 20.09.08 11:15 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! |
| I use the huns for my best rush(im a noob, some say, but still WORK)i do like 19 villagers,15 food, and 1 woodcuter, when going to feudal, i send 10 from food to wood, locate the enemy woodcamp send 2 villagers or 3 with 3 pikemen, and create a mini base behind the bushes, a sweet spot where the tower can shoot arrows to villagers, paladize de minibase with 2 archery inside, and start doing skirmichers to 8, and thats that, start anoyiong, create a route patroling from wood to gold and then wood again, you can patrol stone but idk, i never do that, i have won in about 17 minutes, people resign :P, TRY NO TO LET ALONE YOUR DUMB WARRIOS CAUSE THEY SOMETIME RUN TO ENEMYS TOWNCENTER AND THAT CAN BE A FOULT!!, if you go quick castling you can do like just 4 archery cavalry, just if things goes a little longer ;) |
| 29.10.08 00:08 - AlexanderTGreat |
| This is really bad tactic by the time you reach castle age I allready have 2+ knights on your gold villagers or wood...castle time must be 16-16:30 |
| 14.12.08 23:12 - Edwin |
| I don't get why do you put 6 on lambs and 1 on berries when berries are slower. Why not put 7 on lambs then?? |
| 01.01.09 23:23 - Intensity |
| This would die to a flush. Of course it would, thats why you should try it when you are pocketplayer not flank. Also a fastcastle followed by some knights can only harass villies, 20 FU knights can do some serious damage or even vipe a player. |
| 04.01.09 02:15 - Russoft |
| I've never been good at AOE, but this is a great strategy and a terrible player like me can get 20 in 24 minutes after only his second attempt. Thanks! |
| 11.01.09 14:55 - Anto |
| I haven't understood 2 things: -which upgrades should be researched (if any) -what do the 20 mins refer to? the game-clock right? |
| 17.01.09 20:20 - Anto |
| the best I could do with this strategie is to get to castle age in 21 minutes, and start queing knights (I used Huns)...however, I tried saving 2-3 woodcutters and clicking feudal on a population of 29, and on my first try it actually saved me half a minute, with two stables completed and another one being built |
| 18.01.09 03:10 - Anto |
| on a second thought, I guess it's just a matter of practice, since I managed to castle in 20 minutes with the 'standard' strategy lol |
| 18.01.09 19:54 - Anto |
| on my first try against a human opponent it worked wonderfully...he didn't even have time to castle, and his spearmen were of no use lol...also his scout got trapped in the wrong half of the continental map and obviously couldn't get through my palisade blocking the only way between the two camps rotfl |
| 19.01.09 18:46 - Anto |
| Any idea on how to modify this strategy in order to get a mix of knight and CAs instead? |
| 27.01.09 21:21 - Jussi |
| I it not strategy for 1v1, it is for at least 3v3 and when u are in the middle. You attack with knight the middle opponent player or help your mate who is rushing. During the time knights are going to opponent you can make 2upgrades: for attack and defence. If u r not attacked it is not bad tactics. |
| 27.01.09 23:18 - JUssi |
| anyway much easier is building market instead of smith, sell stone for gold, only one gold mine, and 3 stables, about 13 farms, and after entering castle age about 9 lumberjacks, 10 goldminers. Castle age in 16:00, then 3 stables are ready, so producing knights. Till 20:00 - 18 were ready, 20th was about 20:40 |
| 01.02.09 11:57 - ???? |
| Im not a bad player or anything but i can only get them running on 22min |
| 09.02.09 15:09 - D-J |
| I GET IT IN 19MINUTS ND 47 SECONDS nd i did it with goths |
| 26.03.09 10:08 - _|_ |
| this strategy can be easily countered with byzantines wiht their cheap camels and pike... |
| 26.03.09 10:09 - _|_ |
| in fact i think ny civilisation with camels will do... |
| 31.03.09 19:16 - gato |
| iker67ktkdgtukdukt76kkkugktyjghdfjkyu |
| 31.03.09 19:18 - gato |
| é feio!!! hahahahaha!!!!??? |
| 31.03.09 19:19 - gato |
| merda |
| 27.04.09 18:26 - Geraw |
| I have 30 knights in 20. min. (Huns, 2xStable), but I haven't castle, monastery, archery range and only 35 villagers. |
| 11.06.09 20:30 - lobgo |
| thats scouts not knights... |
| 19.06.09 05:01 - Yoshlazer |
| I've tried this but ran out of food soon. Do i build farms? I ate 8 sheeps, 2 boars and a full forgery bush and ran out of food. |
| 07.07.09 23:03 - Indigo |
| This strategy is meant for ground combat. I only use grouind combat when the enemy's defenses are destroyed or overwhelmed. i personally think that TKs and champions in hordes do a lot better than 40 knights... but i'm still a n00bxor |
| 25.07.09 19:35 - ... |
| Kaiser...GET A LIFE |
| 10.08.09 19:31 - aoe freak |
| An easy way to break into the enemies bases(when walled). 1. Build a Manonogal and tell it to attack ground. Tell it to do this by the trees.Have your troops ready and when all the trees are cleared move in. 2.Transport ships are a good way to get behind enemy lines. Look for water by their base and send those transport ships baby! 3. Buy 3 of those stone launchers from the castle (don't know how to spell it) and crush the gates. Have your troops ready to move in. |
| 26.08.09 07:42 - vikrant |
| hii |
| 08.09.09 21:24 - moi |
| game speed fast or normal? |
| 03.01.10 19:40 - YO |
| YO! |
| 07.02.10 16:38 - Sprite |
| I can only get this down to ~23 minutes... Also, what time is best to start building farms? |
| 03.03.10 04:46 - Durazell |
| In a matter of fact, spearmen needs only wood and food. Sp if a tactic by counter knights the enemy has only to focus on spear. Within 20 mins he could have made 30++ spaers with upgrades.. Even though, I like the achievement by reaching 20 knight in 20 mins. However no one will know that you are making knights. Nice working on this tactic i like it;D |
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