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Age of Empires 2: The Conquerors Tactics & Guides -> Random Map -> 20 Knights in 20 minutes

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20 Knights in 20 minutes

Introduction:

Basically, my aim is to get 20 knights in 20 minutes. It sounds impossible, but is not. This strategy involves using the Teutons because of their cheaper farms. Many other civs are viable also but because of the teuton''s farm bonus, it enables you to have less woodcutters, or more farmers. This strategy is specifically for pocket players only. You can risk using this strategy if you were on the sides, but that would be a big risk.

What you need:

4 sheep + bonus 2 sheep, don''t really need the other bonus sheep but you can if you want
2 boars.
Don''t need to hunt deer, but if they are close, you can hunt them.
Berry bush.

The build up:

Well, its just like most build ups;

6 on sheep, 1 forager, 2 woodcutters and 1 house builder/boar lurer are the first set of villagers
By 10 minutes, you should have achieved the following:
* 26/30 population
* 14 villagers on food
* 11 villagers on wood
* + scout
(or something like that)

You want to mine gold after the 10 minute mark too... trust me, you will need it. I have tested this strategy over 10 times and found that you will need LOTS of gold, repeat, LOTS of gold

Transfer 2 FROM food to gold and make town centre gathering point to gold
Now you can look at your resources and see do you need more food, if you do, make some villagers to go to food instead
With a population of 32, click feudal
By now, you should have:
* 32/50
* 11 villagers on wood still
* about 12 on food
* 7 gold miners
* and 1 builder building barracks while feudaling
* + scout
As soon as you get to feudal, build blacksmith with 3 woodcutters and a stable with 1- 2 miners and queue 3 villagers at town center
With the 3 villagers who built the blacksmith, make another mining camp at a different gold mine
The 3 villagers you made FROM the town centre go to the new gold mine

Advance to Castle Age

Meanwhile, DON'T do any upgrades because it is impossible to achieve 20 knights in 20 minutes if you did do upgrades
Using the same builder who built the stables, build 3 more stables, in total of 4
Make more houses
As soon as you hit castle, train knights... do NOT make villagers FROM the town centre, it won''t work
Queue knights is top priority (queue farms at the mill to save some time)
You should have 12 miners and only 8 woodcutters
By 20 minutes, you should have queued (non-stop) 20 knights AND more coming
FROM there, is up to you.

By HC_Shanks__

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19.12.06 18:47 - Narse

I've found that 3 stables are ok, that leaving 1 lumberjack free from the beginning. also, except for when u build the farms for the 1st time, mainly what u do with lumberjacks is save wood till when u have to rebuild all farms, build the blacksmith and the 3 stables (2 in my opinion), so wouldn't it work a bit better if u used some lumberjacks from the beginning to get food and then get the lumber u need for the farms and stables right before building them? anther thing, the 1st stable i think should be built with a farmer. how would this strat work on 1v1? and is there a way to counter a small archer flush if u began with this strat?

21.12.06 23:26 - =P

i think u shouldnt try to counter any flush with this, unless enemy is noob.. just my opinion..

22.12.06 06:59 - Narse

enemy IS noob, but he can still get some archers in my base before minute 23 (the best timing i did), so i want to have a chance against those archers and still be able to get the 20 knights, even if a bit later

24.01.07 10:05 - kaiser!

20 knights in 20:00 not possible with this startegy.... because here are the time details 28vills+loom=725 secs fuedal advance=130secs 3 more vills=75 secs castel advance=160 secs.. which means 725+130+75+160=1090 sec+10secs(realistic)=1100 secs=18min 20 secs therefore we are left with only 100 secs before 20 mins time bomb.. in 100 secs you cannot make more than 8 knights from 4 stables.

25.01.07 21:28 - phaeton

Couldnt reach that in 20 minutes in several tries.. but u can have it on 21 or 22... with a hun on team 20 can be reached

02.02.07 15:47 - aoe

all the enemy has to do is have 15 spearman and a few walls and they can defend themselves.

20.06.07 01:17 - lol

thats the point, y would an enemy have 15 idle spears? He would probably use them to explore or flush (if they were smart) About the walls... knights can take them down, fast. FC beats Turtle...

24.06.07 19:56 - Huber_Gral.Andrés_R

Hey ^^ made a rec game to downlad :D it will be interesting , very interesting !! !

27.06.07 07:34 - emaster

omg, 15 spears cannot defend against 20 knights, that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my etire life. Seriously, I have never heard anything more dumb in my entire life. A spearmen's attack is 3, double it it is 7. The attack of a knight is 10 add in the armor in the units, the knight still does 10 damamge and the spearmen does 5. The spearman has 45 hit points, and the knight has 100. so against 15 spearmen, all you need to do is send one group of like 8 knights to attack them, and send the other one(s) to attack the rest of their base

02.07.07 06:42 - Steele

emaster you're right about 15 spearmen cant beat 20 knights but spearmen do 18 damage to knights. (2 blocked by armour so that's 16 damage) though the thing is 15 spearmen can be produced way faster and cheaper than 20 knights. if ur enemy has advanced to castle age too, the pikemen would do 26 damage to the knights. Anyways, if by any chance ur enemy found out that ur going to rush him with knights, he'll surely have enough time to build enough spearmen to counter ur knights.

11.07.07 16:41 - Calado

It's possible with the Huns, that no need houses and stable works 20% faster. I've done this in about 20 min with this tatic. But it's impossible to survive the 20 minutes in a 1v1 without any military unit.

11.08.07 20:20 - Poet

Tried it in a 2v2. Tuetons and Aztecs verse Brtions and Japanese. Aztec teammate was noob, did no help. Britons was on far side of map and provided a retreat for japanese. I was able to get 25-30 knights out in 20-25 min. to harass the Japanese and upgraded them quickly enough to take out all but the Japanese castle and a few building close to it. Then I was able to Tuetonic Knight strom the castle drawing fire. The combp of Paladins and TK's worked well until my Aztec partner quit (w/o engaging in battle alongside me) and left me to fight Briton Longbow men guarded by pikemen w/ samurai

13.08.07 22:47 -

Teutons aren't my top choice for 3v3 becouse you have high change not being in the pocket where cheap farms really help you. Well, it isn't much different to do this with huns or mongols.

10.11.07 22:46 - Myth

At what time u reach feudal age with this strat ??

21.04.08 11:24 - Johnny talk talk

yeah Huns works a bit better 4 me

28.04.08 11:29 - cutlass

thing those knights can't stand janissary, event just 10 ones

28.04.08 11:31 - cutlass

thing those knights can't stand janissary, event just 10 ones

11.05.08 02:59 -

what is the best counter for this? it took me 42 spearmen to win and i had less than 5 left. also my friend can get to imp age with 2 castles in 16 min. HOW??

07.06.08 13:21 - Paladin_X_Lover

i love padadin very much, this meant i love knight too. think i should have 2 blacksmiths n' 4 stables beacuz researching will makes future paladin (i mean upgraded knight) stronger. so i chose spanish, bet huns good choice too (no house and faster knight train)

09.06.08 13:50 - Green_Parrot

Imperial in 16 minutes is not possible with normal settings. I think the fastest time without sling is a bit over 20 minutes. If you want to counter this strategy in 1v1 the best choice is archer flush or about 5 scouts and fc. The other weakness of this is that it leaves you with a terrible economy. Another way to counter this is make camels/pikes/monks and just defend and outboom enemy by making multiple tcs fast.

21.06.08 01:23 - danny k

this is a good thing it will hep me ive bin playin for 7 yrs and now i know some more thanks danny k

21.06.08 01:31 - Danny k

ive bin playin for 7 yrs and ive learnt a lot of thing on age of the empires it makes it easy when you get used to it 1.the first thing i do is get 3 barracks 2 seige training camps and 2 stables i get 25 of the catapults 20 of the knights and 20 pikemen and 25 champions i send the catapults in and see how many it can kill then i send the sword men with the pikemen men then i send the knights in and it works all the time so have a try and c for ur self good luck

21.06.08 07:31 - Sir Keldan

advanced to imperial with teutons in 14:23

25.06.08 18:52 - Karim

Awesome strategy, I managed to queue 11 Knights by 20:00 min. By the 27:00 min I had 37 Knights and I had won the game on my very first try!! Just perfect!

17.07.08 19:30 - mkd

"By 20 minutes, you should have queued (non-stop) 20 knights AND more coming" The key word here is "queued" not 'made' 20 free for use at 20 minutes. It's a little misleading, but I feel some of the comments posted have assumed that.

22.08.08 17:19 - Executor

By 20 mins you can have 10+ knights and 10+ cav archers queued/coming, by 23 mins u'll hit ur enenmy with around 20-30 knights/cav archers. using huns, and getting all econ/BS upgrades except Blacksmith. I didn't follow the guide religiosly but developed my own around the idea. So far i havent found anyoen capable of countering it

22.08.08 17:20 - Executor

Sorry, i meant all upgrades except WHeelbarrow/Handcart. With Celts I can do a fast castle and upgrade to imperial by around 24 mins, and hit my enemy with woad raiders/knights/trebuchet.

23.08.08 13:49 - matt

The only way to counter this is to flush, as with this tactic they dont have any army before 20 mins

25.08.08 03:36 - Executor

skilled players can manage to output, easily, twice the number of pikemen. which is the breaking point. And as he's fighting on home turf this can bring ur plans down in 1v1 play. However, i find using hte huns, mixing Knights+Cav archers alleviates this a bit. But also, using celts, u can manage to get a castle upon moment u hit castle age and output woad raiders and cav archers. this can be devastating if u mix strategies so ur opponent if he prepapred with pikes, is gonna get badly owned by the woad raiders/cav archer combo.

29.08.08 08:24 - executor

also, if u r more skilled at micromanaging, u can do a faster castle with 24, 25 or 27 villagers. these are less stable set ups, but if ur good at it, u can easily hit castle and train knights in less 18mins easily. by using deer and less woodcutters it is infact possible to get a 15min castle and still stream knights from 1 or 2 stables. esp as perisans thx to increased workrate + extra resources. I'd also omit loom if u can micro well enuff to not get ur villagers killed. I only research loom when i have more than 1 tc up. like after 2-4 TCs in the castle age.

20.09.08 11:15 - V!vaLaRevolucion!!

I use the huns for my best rush(im a noob, some say, but still WORK)i do like 19 villagers,15 food, and 1 woodcuter, when going to feudal, i send 10 from food to wood, locate the enemy woodcamp send 2 villagers or 3 with 3 pikemen, and create a mini base behind the bushes, a sweet spot where the tower can shoot arrows to villagers, paladize de minibase with 2 archery inside, and start doing skirmichers to 8, and thats that, start anoyiong, create a route patroling from wood to gold and then wood again, you can patrol stone but idk, i never do that, i have won in about 17 minutes, people resign :P, TRY NO TO LET ALONE YOUR DUMB WARRIOS CAUSE THEY SOMETIME RUN TO ENEMYS TOWNCENTER AND THAT CAN BE A FOULT!!, if you go quick castling you can do like just 4 archery cavalry, just if things goes a little longer ;)

29.10.08 00:08 - AlexanderTGreat

This is really bad tactic by the time you reach castle age I allready have 2+ knights on your gold villagers or wood...castle time must be 16-16:30

14.12.08 23:12 - Edwin

I don't get why do you put 6 on lambs and 1 on berries when berries are slower. Why not put 7 on lambs then??

01.01.09 23:23 - Intensity

This would die to a flush. Of course it would, thats why you should try it when you are pocketplayer not flank. Also a fastcastle followed by some knights can only harass villies, 20 FU knights can do some serious damage or even vipe a player.

04.01.09 02:15 - Russoft

I've never been good at AOE, but this is a great strategy and a terrible player like me can get 20 in 24 minutes after only his second attempt. Thanks!

11.01.09 14:55 - Anto

I haven't understood 2 things: -which upgrades should be researched (if any) -what do the 20 mins refer to? the game-clock right?

17.01.09 20:20 - Anto

the best I could do with this strategie is to get to castle age in 21 minutes, and start queing knights (I used Huns)...however, I tried saving 2-3 woodcutters and clicking feudal on a population of 29, and on my first try it actually saved me half a minute, with two stables completed and another one being built

18.01.09 03:10 - Anto

on a second thought, I guess it's just a matter of practice, since I managed to castle in 20 minutes with the 'standard' strategy lol

18.01.09 19:54 - Anto

on my first try against a human opponent it worked wonderfully...he didn't even have time to castle, and his spearmen were of no use lol...also his scout got trapped in the wrong half of the continental map and obviously couldn't get through my palisade blocking the only way between the two camps rotfl

19.01.09 18:46 - Anto

Any idea on how to modify this strategy in order to get a mix of knight and CAs instead?

27.01.09 21:21 - Jussi

I it not strategy for 1v1, it is for at least 3v3 and when u are in the middle. You attack with knight the middle opponent player or help your mate who is rushing. During the time knights are going to opponent you can make 2upgrades: for attack and defence. If u r not attacked it is not bad tactics.

27.01.09 23:18 - JUssi

anyway much easier is building market instead of smith, sell stone for gold, only one gold mine, and 3 stables, about 13 farms, and after entering castle age about 9 lumberjacks, 10 goldminers. Castle age in 16:00, then 3 stables are ready, so producing knights. Till 20:00 - 18 were ready, 20th was about 20:40

01.02.09 11:57 - ????

Im not a bad player or anything but i can only get them running on 22min

09.02.09 15:09 - D-J

I GET IT IN 19MINUTS ND 47 SECONDS nd i did it with goths

26.03.09 10:08 - _|_

this strategy can be easily countered with byzantines wiht their cheap camels and pike...

26.03.09 10:09 - _|_

in fact i think ny civilisation with camels will do...

31.03.09 19:16 - gato

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31.03.09 19:18 - gato

é feio!!! hahahahaha!!!!???

31.03.09 19:19 - gato

merda

27.04.09 18:26 - Geraw

I have 30 knights in 20. min. (Huns, 2xStable), but I haven't castle, monastery, archery range and only 35 villagers.

11.06.09 20:30 - lobgo

thats scouts not knights...

19.06.09 05:01 - Yoshlazer

I've tried this but ran out of food soon. Do i build farms? I ate 8 sheeps, 2 boars and a full forgery bush and ran out of food.

07.07.09 23:03 - Indigo

This strategy is meant for ground combat. I only use grouind combat when the enemy's defenses are destroyed or overwhelmed. i personally think that TKs and champions in hordes do a lot better than 40 knights... but i'm still a n00bxor

25.07.09 19:35 - ...

Kaiser...GET A LIFE

10.08.09 19:31 - aoe freak

An easy way to break into the enemies bases(when walled). 1. Build a Manonogal and tell it to attack ground. Tell it to do this by the trees.Have your troops ready and when all the trees are cleared move in. 2.Transport ships are a good way to get behind enemy lines. Look for water by their base and send those transport ships baby! 3. Buy 3 of those stone launchers from the castle (don't know how to spell it) and crush the gates. Have your troops ready to move in.

26.08.09 07:42 - vikrant

hii

08.09.09 21:24 - moi

game speed fast or normal?

03.01.10 19:40 - YO

YO!

07.02.10 16:38 - Sprite

I can only get this down to ~23 minutes... Also, what time is best to start building farms?

03.03.10 04:46 - Durazell

In a matter of fact, spearmen needs only wood and food. Sp if a tactic by counter knights the enemy has only to focus on spear. Within 20 mins he could have made 30++ spaers with upgrades.. Even though, I like the achievement by reaching 20 knight in 20 mins. However no one will know that you are making knights. Nice working on this tactic i like it;D

04.04.10 05:49 - Cantal

Your buildup need work. I've done 20 knights out of stable in 20 min with another buildup

04.04.10 05:52 - Hac

To all haters : This strat is mainly used in the pocket of 3v3 where the oppenents flank are flushing your team's flank and where their pocket is also FCing

12.04.10 18:42 - Mr. M&M&A

I likethe Britons, but they aren't a good civilization. Any guides for them?

05.05.10 05:45 - dr.spangle

I have done this strat over and over and over, it is not possible to do in 20 sorry mate. You need to flush, i think to do this strat is just for bragging rights that you can do it. A good forward flush is the best. I think people are bored with this type of game play though, thus spending time developing an inferrior strat like this one. Sorry

17.05.10 00:32 - Jem

very good jop

17.05.10 00:32 - Jem

very good jop

16.06.10 13:22 - _Dr_B_Spangle_

Yeah this does not work in 1v1, unless you are playing a noob, you need a different build strat, and get castle in 17, with 3 militia and scout attacking by 10 mins, by 17 30 knights need to hit the enemy. This strat is handy because the person you are playing think you are rushing, build defence in feudal age, than you go castle age and mess up their crap

20.06.10 08:21 - Anoosh

20 knights in 20 min is possible with the huns

23.06.10 04:28 - _Dr_B_Spangle_

You can and i have had 20 in 21, but all it takes is a little drush, or any little nudge from an enemy and this strat goes down the drain, its too slow

29.06.10 04:50 - Good

It works. I got 22 kts in 21 mins. 4 stables is too much. 3 is enough. I had more farmers and so my 22 kts had +1 armor and bloodlines up by the time I hit the enemy at 22 mins. Beware though: this strategy is only good if you are a pocket and your wings are decent and holding the front well. Also if your enemy is a good waller, your raiding will be restricted.

29.06.10 04:58 - Better

Also, if your enemy pocket is faster and hits you first, then you will face difficulties and wont have 20 kts in 20 mins. Maybe 10-15 only

10.09.10 02:21 - MOhmED

I DID it on 30 mins in black forest but how to make in fortress map

30.09.10 19:20 - anti noob

shut up noobs i make 40 knigths in 11:42 and 100 paladian in 35 mins just download hacking program put speed x50 or more (as u like it x500 is so fast)

08.11.10 10:02 - Vu

Record, please! every can talk but how?

24.12.10 16:17 - r@Z@R

strat is very nice to implement but u can achieve 25 knights in 21 min with celts if u r provided 2 extra sheeps.......8 instead of 6 ur double bit axe nd horse collar can be researched too......

26.12.10 21:46 - DarK

When do you reach feudal with this 20 Knights in 20 minutes strategy?

15.01.11 09:54 - r@Z@r

wid 32 vill i clicked ma feudal age research at 12:28.......

07.03.11 14:17 - Terminator.

instead of a blacksmith u can make a market,........and sell the stone u have from start for food........

07.03.11 14:17 - Terminator.

or for gold

10.03.11 01:39 - ian

ive created my own strategy which involves beating everyone through the ages without military but still have an explosive economy

10.03.11 01:40 - ian

does they ever add anything to this site or is it abandoned

12.03.11 22:38 - JuggerNaut

Is there a counter for this strategy???

14.03.11 14:57 - tronger

@juggernaut: counter is simple... playing a little defense game...

18.03.11 21:14 - _InnocencE_ aka superesky

I got 20 knights in 21 minutes with the huns, i think they are much more better for this strat than teutons, because they have 20% faster stables and no need to build houses. I think there were too much goldminers and too few on food. I think this strategy is great for those being pocket on 3vs3 games.

26.03.11 16:29 - Bob

Maybe be more specific with villager creation =P

06.04.11 02:37 - casltes

i know how 2 counter this startegy. build watchtower, etc. and place 5 archers etc. in watchtower. caslte is better through.

06.04.11 02:38 - casltes

i know how 2 counter this startegy. build watchtower, etc. and place 5 archers etc. in watchtower. caslte is better through.

06.04.11 02:43 - casltes

this strat. pours 6+ arrows, easyly wiping out knights. i like the japanese cause they have awesome samuri. my favourite strat. is placing 6 sam. in battering ram/ transport ship. then i send them to da emeny and rush 4ward.

06.04.11 02:45 - casltes

06.04.11 02:46 - casltes

05.05.11 07:14 - casltes

sorry bout the repeats. computer stuffed up

05.05.11 07:37 - period stain

that was my 5 year old brother sorry his name is david nebe and he likes anal

19.05.11 07:21 - castles(fuming!)

who is that lesbain/gay fuck!!!! i am that this "david nebe" of which he speaks of.

26.05.11 07:04 - casltes

that was a technical stuff up there. i am not david nebe.

29.05.11 01:46 - vguy

dont do this bad ecomnoy

18.08.11 09:28 - vcvxcv

cvxc

05.03.12 00:29 - Beast

This doesn't work until minute 23.

07.04.12 13:16 - Itsover9000

Eagle warriors are waaaaaaaay better,they cost less and they are better than knights because they can raid better AND its easier to duck mangonel fire since they are smaller than knights AND hard to counter.

07.04.12 13:23 - Itsover9000

Also, you can easely counter this strategy... just make a few pikes around your recources and you will scare your opponent away.

07.04.12 13:38 - Itsover9000

i am also fed up with everyone thinking that knights are sooooooo scary. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT!!! NEITHER ARE WAR ELEPHANTS, THEY SUCK DONKEY BALLS!!! YOU JUST NEED TO MAKE PIKES THATS ALL YOU HAVE TO DO!!! IS IT REALLY THAT HARD!?! THEY ARE NOT OVER POWERED THEY ONLY COST 35 FOOD AND 25 WOOD WHILE KNIGHTS AND ELEPHANTS COST 75 GOLD THAT IS A CRAP TONN OF GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

08.04.12 12:15 - the viper

I agree with itsover9000. Eagles are waaaaaaaaay better than knights.

08.04.12 12:20 - XD

this strat is basically a fast castle

06.07.12 09:19 - Utsav Rohilla

I know a strategy of fast castle at about 14 minutes

06.07.12 09:20 - Utsav Rohilla

I started makin knights by 19 minutes great strategy

09.07.12 16:30 - the viper

but eagles are 10000000000000 times better

29.08.12 15:27 - Fjotor

Just reached 29 Knights in 20 min using Franks (hp benefit). And my gold income was attacked at 18 mins så maybe i could get like 32-32ish Knights. Its not impossible, you dont uppgrade anything els then what you need for the knights. Maybe you build a market instead of a blacksmith (i didn't). Used 3 stables but i think you can do it with 2 cuz i didnt have que all the time in all 3.

29.08.12 15:27 - Fjotor

04.09.12 08:49 - lol how pathetic

this sucks and easily countered

04.09.12 17:09 - Fjotor

Redone it with much better result. I increased vils to 30 before feudaling. 36 in 20 mins and reached 50 around 23mins. Used 4 stables.