Step 3 - Economy Upgrades
Building An Economy
In this part of the article we're going to analyze how the economy works
in aoc and how to build it most effectively.
Our first task is deciding what do we want to do. For example, the
pocket player in an arabia game decides he wants to go to castle age and make
knights from one stable while booming. It is good to know that for making
knights he needs 60f and 75g per turn. This is about 6 farmers and 8 gold
miners just to supply the knight's cost. At the same time he will need around 6
farmers more per town center to pay for the villagers.
How does Upgrading an Age work?
When you go from one age to the next it affects your economy in this
way: imagine player X upgrades to Feudal Age with 22 villagers and player Y goes up with 26.
Through the 2:10 of upgrading time (around 5 turns of villager building) player
X had 4 less villagers collecting resources so by the time player Y reaches Feudal although both will have
the same villager pop the first player will have 5(cost of 2.10 of going to
feudal) * 4 (villagers he had less) = 20 turns less of village work (minus
200units of resources).
You have to take away from this amount the effect of the technological
upgrades: when you upgrade faster you get benefits for longer so for example if
you do an upgrade and your vils are working faster (14 working as 16 etc) 4
turns earlier the difference will be the 100units instead of 200 (cost of
upgrading early above). At the same time, reaching ages faster allow you to
produce certain units earlier and so you can get economic advantage through
military wars. In case you reach castle age faster you can also make TCs faster
and so get extra villagers. The balance is very subtle and so very hard to
evaluate. Generally the best thing to do is to adjust our times so we can go up
as fast as possible but always having the minimum amount of resources necessary
for the strat we have in mind. So you must learn what strats you can do in
situations and tailor your economies for these strategies as best you can.
Keeping total balance
Resource pack
Understand a 'resource pack' to be the following: imagine a player plans
on going to the Castle Age and make knights from one stable. He needs 75g per turn. Now he doesn't
wait till he is Castle to place 8 villagers to mine gold but he had 5 gold miners since the
beginning of upgrading to Castle Age. By the time he reaches the Castle Age he has 5(miners) * 6(turns
Castle Age upgrade takes) = 30 turns of village work = a 'resource pack' of
300gold by the time he goes castle. Now even keeping 5 gold miners only he can
produce knights non-stop using the resource pack he has: he needs 75g per turn -->
he collects 50g per turn with his 5 gold miners --> 75g - 50(the 5 miners
mine this much per turn) = 25g per turn he needs to take from the resource pack
--> 300 / 25 = 12 turns or 12 knights he can produce before this
"resource pack" empties. So its good to put units on a resource
before they are needed if they are not needed elsewhere, such as going to
feudal age putting 3 villagers on gold just before you click up thus having
enough (200g) to click up to castle age.
Town centers
Town centers are expensive buildings (275w and 100s) and slow to build
(2:30 with 1vill 1:15 with 4vill) so just by using 4 vills to build them we
lose 4 * 3 (1:15) = 12 turns of village work (-120u). You also need 6 farmers
just keep the vill production from that one TC. This is why it is not good to
make too many TCs when booming. Through my personal experience and talking to
some great players such as kkab or geek I have come to the conclusion it is not
good to make more than 4 TCs (3 with persia) when you are making boom + army or
more than 5 (4 with persia) when you are aiming for a long and massive boom
(lets say 140 vills or more). This doesn't mean you can't make more than 5 TCs.
The TC has other applications such as ground control, villager defence, pop
redistribution, etc. Just understand that in economy terms making too many TCs
are not an improvement.
Some advice at resource gathering
Usually the amount of mine resources that we need is very even (75g per
turn for knts, 100s for a TC etc), that's why I like to place a certain amount
of miners and focus on the gathering of wood/food. It's in the way we play with
the wood and the farms where I think the key of building a good economy is. The
trick is in making the farms we need as soon as possible (remember farms require
wood for maintenance) and using the wood excess to build the TCs we will need.
It is not good to build new TCs before we have the necessary food to keep them
working (except for military purposes). It is important to control woodcutting
because providing close drop points improve the efficiency greatly. Be warned
about stone gathering, it weakens the economy considerably. It is usually
better to collect as much as we will need and sometimes it is even better to
just buy it on the market (once again these advices come from an economic point
of view, if you plan to use it for military purposes such as castles, towers,
walls, etc by all means mine it!).
Recorded Game Attached: I add an example game of how Ralber built a
3v3 arabian pocket as Hun. Download
Pride and honour.
And that's all we have to say about this you are now ready to move onto
Step 4, Saludos.
Karl
& Ralber
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18.01.07 06:57 -
NisteLL |
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Awesome |
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20.07.07 20:34 -
Someone |
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usually I've found that it's better to invest in 30 non upgraded villagers rather than 20 upgraded ones.
resources tend to pile up faster then.
Great page though :) Thanks |
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21.05.08 23:53 -
Bob? |
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Boring! |
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19.08.08 14:15 -
nnk |
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@bob?
HAHAHAHAA
this is a lot of help...although quite difficult to follow in the beginning |
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01.12.08 02:53 -
JustSayYes |
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The one thing this article does not account for is the fact that if you're on non-stop vil building up before reaching castle age, that getting an upgrade compounds with maxing villagers. |
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30.06.09 04:35 -
Ruslan |
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how do you play online? |
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21.07.09 20:19 -
Louluch |
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I can agree in the fact that it is better to create new villagers (If you have less than 14) instead of upgrading to Double bit Axe. However, you haven't considered the cost of the houses that you would need to build in order to create the new villagers. But on the other hand you would have to build the houses at some point anyways. |
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03.09.09 07:40 -
S.T.A.L.K.E.R |
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good |
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16.11.09 21:55 -
arturo |
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dl gameranger to play online |
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17.11.09 23:25 -
Dippelito |
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Awesome! really helpful all those strategies and guide lines. I am getting better everyday since I am visiting this website so Thank you ;) keep up the good work (Y) |
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03.05.10 05:02 -
Dhaga |
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Can't wait to try it |
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04.06.10 23:33 -
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if its a long game the upgrades is realy smart becouse it gives u room for more attacking unit of any kind. |
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13.07.10 05:27 -
Flygoniq |
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It's just that, if by some chance the game got a bit stretched, you'll want your population for extra soldiers. |
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14.07.10 14:00 -
Noob |
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Could someone tell me what's boom? |
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12.08.10 11:24 -
Babau |
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Fucking amazing man... |
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30.10.10 01:29 -
ozant |
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to play online install hamachi and join network aoeplayer password 123 |
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04.11.10 14:25 -
Akshdeep |
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It will be more interesting if u put a touch of humor in it.
U made me dowsy reading the 1st page i felt like going to Aoe2 heaven |
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29.12.10 09:29 -
Ex |
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I prefer rushing. Castle in< 8 imp in< 35. |
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04.03.11 16:00 -
CommandantSmith |
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you can play on on ''Vlooby'' too |
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sonnyboy92701@hotmail.com |
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i dont understand please explain to me ... |
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10.12.11 04:05 -
Someone |
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usually I've found that it's better to invest in 30 non upgraded villagers rather than 20 upgraded ones. resources tend to pile up faster then. Great page though :) Thanks |
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Fricking Bitch |
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Bob? |
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Boring! |
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Aoe 2 |
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The Conquers is a expansion pack to the age of kings CAN I JUST SAY I HOPE THAT SILLY BOB DOES NOT SAY BORING! |
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Bob? |
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Boring!' |
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STOP IT BOB OR I WILL KILL YOU!
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I KAN KIL |
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fw3ggw3g |
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Boring! |
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Brand Frank From Of The Most Family's Of Lisa Simpson! |
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Here's A Funny Joke |
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Here's A Funny Joke - Part 2 |
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Here's A Funny Joke -Part 3 |
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Dashing Through The bush Bart And His Friends could not see a Ute! dashing through the downs why do you say it mate! Jingle Bells Jingle Bells Jingle All The Way All The Rides To Ride In A Rusty Holden Ute AYY! Jingle Bells Jingle Bells Jingle All The Way All Its Ride Is To Ride In A rusty Ute! Dashing Through The Corn Swinging The Yawn Bart Goes Out And Says Merry Christmas And The Carols Carry on! Jingle Bells Jingle Bells Jingle All The Way All The Rides To Ride In A Rusty Holden Ute AYY! Jingle Bells Jingle Bells Jingle All The Way All Its Ride Is To Ride In A rusty Ute! Banjo And Bart Sings My Old Friend Let Down Ted! Why Is It Gone And It Goes 1 More Time! Jingle Bells Jingle Bells Jingle All The Way All The Rides To Ride In A Rusty Holden Ute AYY! Jingle Bells Jingle Bells Jingle All The Way All Its Ride Is To Ride In A rusty Utttttttttttttttttttteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Boring! Boring! Boring!
Know Way!
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Bob? |
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Boring! |
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Bob? |
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Boring! . |
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Boring! |
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The Man With The Golden Gun |
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Bitch poop Head |
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11.12.11 04:29 -
Here's A Funny Joke -Part 4 |
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It Was Christmas Bart a lisa got there preesants there dad homer said maybe the simpson family go and kill our queen becouse it is christmas then homer can kill and rule the world Mr burns does not like homer Mr burns said we might fire homer because he wants to take my place Dr souls bye took Lisa to hospitably; and killed her homer and Bart left who will win?
a) Homer
b) Bart
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Here's A Funny Joke -Part 5 |
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James
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That Brown Poop Stinks |
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Written by Ralber (THuG_Ralber_Mh)
Formatted, Edited and Additional Material Added by Karl (StorM_Country)
Step 3: Economy Upgrades
AoC economy is based on inversions and rentability. What I mean is it is necessary to invest a certain amount of resources and of time to develop them and they have a very certain impact on the game. It is good to understand how they work to be able to decide which and when to upgrade them to suit your purposes best. There are a lot of factors that affect this matter. Some are random such as the distance between the town center and the resources you are going to gather, the way the villagers spread to collect the resources etc that make the mathematics to evaluate them very complex (at least for myself), so you have to use your common sense/experience to analyze their impact on the gathering, others are always fixed such as the villager walk or gathering speed which I'll try to explain the best I can.
Feudal age -> Double Bit Axe in Lumber Camp:
+20% raw (with raw I mean the villager works 20% faster when a tree is cut down). This upgrade doesn't affect the time it takes to carry the wood to the drop point (lumber camp/TC) or the time it takes to cut the tree down. So to evaluate it's real impact on the economy you have to analyze the 'hard to evaluate' factor I just talked about which is the average time it takes for your villagers to carry and drop the wood. Through a few experiments I have decided that in normal conditions (not too many choppers on the same forest, not too far lumber camp) the improvement is around 15%.
It helps me a lot to think in terms of "villagers" and "turns". Understand turn to mean basic time unit in aoe (25 seconds), which is approximately the time it takes to make a villager in the town center and to collect 10units of a resource. In reference to the Double Bit Axe upgrade, the way I evaluate this 15% is that with the upgrade 7 woodcutters do the work of 8 woodcutters without the upgrade making it a substantial investment if you have a lot of wood cutters.
How to take advantage of this?
Imagine we go up to Feudal Age with 30 population and we have 100u of food available to invest in either making 2 villagers or upgrading to Double Bit Axe when reaching it. If we had 14 woodcutters Double Bit Axe would mean these 14 villagers are doing the work of 16 woodcutters, which accounts for the 2 villagers we could have made. If we had more than 14 villagers upgrading to Double Bit Axe becomes the obvious choice as the villagers are now doing the work of more than 2 extra villagers. If we only had 8 woodcutters it would be more efficient just to make 2 new villagers and make them chop. Of course this is just an example. Generally in the Feudal Age it is better to make new villagers since even if it is less efficient in the beginning, later on when we can finally afford the upgrade these additional vills will give us more wood than the amount we lost in the beginning. This kind of thinking is good for Castle Age instead where we might have to choose between getting the upgrades and making new TCs first.
In Reference to turns: Double Bit Axe costs 100f and 50w. If for instance we had 10 woodcutters they would do the work of 11.5 vils, gaining around 15w extra per turn (0.25, time to make a vil) so it would take 10 turns till we would start having more resources (100f, 50w to upgrade it) than someone who didn't purchase it.
Imagine the following: in a 1v1 match 1 player purchases Double Bit Axe and the other player decides to use these 150 units making 2 scouts extra and waits 3mins before purchasing Double Bit Axe. If the player with the scouts can use them in these 3 minutes to inflict more damage on the enemy than the benefit he gained from upgrading to Double Bit (vils doing work of 11.5 instead of 10 vils) then he will have gained an advantage, otherwise it will be the player who upgraded Double Bit Axe who gained it. The enemy waiting 3minutes until getting this upgrade means you will gain 7 turns (7x15 = 105 wood) on the enemy. Quite a substantial amount to have extra.
These examples are of course extreme situations. If you are saving resources (for castle upgrade for instance) it is almost always better in mid to long term to invest them in economic upgrades (such as Double Bit Axe, Wheelbarrow, Horse Plough).
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Comments:
18.01.07 06:57 - NisteLL
Awesome
20.07.07 20:34 - Someone
usually I've found that it's better to invest in 30 non upgraded villagers rather than 20 upgraded ones. resources tend to pile up faster then. Great page though :) Thanks
21.05.08 23:53 - Bob?
Boring!
19.08.08 14:15 - nnk
@bob? HAHAHAHAA this is a lot of help...although quite difficult to follow in the beginning
01.12.08 02:53 - JustSayYes
The one thing this article does not account for is the fact that if you're on non-stop vil building up before reaching castle age, that getting an upgrade compounds with maxing villagers.
30.06.09 04:35 - Ruslan
how do you play online?
21.07.09 20:19 - Louluch
I can agree in the fact that it is better to create new villagers (If you have less than 14) instead of upgrading to Double bit Axe. However, you haven't considered the cost of the houses that you would need to build in order to create the new villagers. But on the other hand you would have to build the houses at some point anyways.
03.09.09 07:40 - S.T.A.L.K.E.R
good
16.11.09 21:55 - arturo
dl gameranger to play online
17.11.09 23:25 - Dippelito
Awesome! really helpful all those strategies and guide lines. I am getting better everyday since I am visiting this website so Thank you ;) keep up the good work (Y)
03.05.10 05:02 - Dhaga
Can't wait to try it
04.06.10 23:33 - ess10
if its a long game the upgrades is realy smart becouse it gives u room for more attacking unit of any kind.
13.07.10 05:27 - Flygoniq
It's just that, if by some chance the game got a bit stretched, you'll want your population for extra soldiers.
14.07.10 14:00 - Noob
Could someone tell me what's boom?
12.08.10 11:24 - Babau
Fucking amazing man...
30.10.10 01:29 - ozant
to play online install hamachi and join network aoeplayer password 123
04.11.10 14:25 - Akshdeep
It will be more interesting if u put a touch of humor in it. U made me dowsy reading the 1st page i felt like going to Aoe2 heaven
29.12.10 09:29 - Ex
I prefer rushing. Castle in< 8 imp in< 35.
04.03.11 16:00 - CommandantSmith
you can play on on ''Vlooby'' too
18.03.11 13:34 - sonnyboy92701@hotmail.com
i dont understand please explain to me ...
10.12.11 04:04 - www.niconisula.net
www.niconisula.net
10.12.11 04:05 - Someone
usually I've found that it's better to invest in 30 non upgraded villagers rather than 20 upgraded ones. resources tend to pile up faster then. Great page though :) Thanks
10.12.11 04:06 - 20.07.07 20:34 - Narse
Fricking Bitch
10.12.11 04:07 - Bob?
Boring!
10.12.11 04:11 - Aoe 2
The Conquers is a expansion pack to the age of kings CAN I JUST SAY I HOPE THAT SILLY BOB DOES NOT SAY BORING!
10.12.11 04:15 - Bob?
Boring!'
10.12.11 04:16 - STOP IT BOB OR I WILL KILL YOU!
STOP IT BOB OR I WILL KILL YOU! Bob Boring
10.12.11 04:16 - I KAN KIL
fw3ggw3g
10.12.11 04:22 - Bob?
Boring!
10.12.11 04:32 - Orlando's Pictonary
Karl Son Of Bart Simpson
10.12.11 04:36 - Trade Cart Of The Cheese Cake That Is Holding a fl
Brand Frank From Of The Most Family's Of Lisa Simpson!
10.12.11 04:42 - Here's A Funny Joke
Brand Frank From Of The Most Family's Of Lisa Simpson! And Bart Pooped His Pants Lisa Cleaned It Up And Marge Had To Shout At The Kids For Doing Dirty Dog Stuff Then Lisa Had A Gun And Killed Her Mum And Bart Nazareth At Lisa To Convince Her Not To Make Up Of The Game Age Of Empires 2 They Said The Word Victorious! Was The Key!
10.12.11 04:48 - Here's A Funny Joke - Part 2
Bart Knew He Wanted Age of Empires 2 for his birthday Lisa wanted to buy a gun to kill Bart but he did but he didn't do it to her this and that happened... Bart Went on his friends back and told them to punch Lisa for a disagreement of Wise Men Of Constantinople of Lisa said Help! I Hate Running Because Bart And His Friends Wants To Kill Me Help! She Didn't Die But Scared. (Read Part 3!)
10.12.11 04:57 - Here's A Funny Joke -Part 3
Dashing Through The bush Bart And His Friends could not see a Ute! dashing through the downs why do you say it mate! Jingle Bells Jingle Bells Jingle All The Way All The Rides To Ride In A Rusty Holden Ute AYY! Jingle Bells Jingle Bells Jingle All The Way All Its Ride Is To Ride In A rusty Ute! Dashing Through The Corn Swinging The Yawn Bart Goes Out And Says Merry Christmas And The Carols Carry on! Jingle Bells Jingle Bells Jingle All The Way All The Rides To Ride In A Rusty Holden Ute AYY! Jingle Bells Jingle Bells Jingle All The Way All Its Ride Is To Ride In A rusty Ute! Banjo And Bart Sings My Old Friend Let Down Ted! Why Is It Gone And It Goes 1 More Time! Jingle Bells Jingle Bells Jingle All The Way All The Rides To Ride In A Rusty Holden Ute AYY! Jingle Bells Jingle Bells Jingle All The Way All Its Ride Is To Ride In A rusty Utttttttttttttttttttteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10.12.11 04:59 - Bob?
Boring! Boring! Boring! Boring! Boring! Boring! Boo! Boo! Boo! Boo! Boo! Boo! Boring! Boring! Boring! Know Way!
11.12.11 01:37 - Bob?
Boring!
11.12.11 01:37 - Bob?
Boring! .
11.12.11 04:22 - Bob?
Boring!
11.12.11 04:24 - The Man With The Golden Gun
Bitch poop Head
11.12.11 04:29 - Here's A Funny Joke -Part 4
It Was Christmas Bart a lisa got there preesants there dad homer said maybe the simpson family go and kill our queen becouse it is christmas then homer can kill and rule the world Mr burns does not like homer Mr burns said we might fire homer because he wants to take my place Dr souls bye took Lisa to hospitably; and killed her homer and Bart left who will win? a) Homer b) Bart ???????????????????
11.12.11 04:31 - Here's A Funny Joke -Part 5
James Type Furious The Monkey Boy It will Give You A Monkey Which Will Do Your Bidding He Is 99 Piece Armour And Attack Strength He is Nearly the Strongest Unit On The Games I PLay
11.12.11 22:46 - That Brown Poop Stinks
I Eat Poop You Do HA! Ha! Ha!
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