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06.11.06 22:27 -

what is the source, where is the rec?

07.11.06 18:23 - Soosi

Shanks from empireslegacy got this from somewhere, dunno where.

16.12.06 14:46 - Soosi

Ok, found the record, attached on the second page.

20.12.06 18:46 - Narse

this strat is for age of kings, how does it work on conquerors?

20.12.06 22:30 - Conqueror

well this is good if ur playing 1v1 or even 2v2 but its not effective in 3v3 or 4v4....

23.12.06 07:19 - Narse

how about this strat against some archers? sure it would work?

07.02.07 09:04 - phaeton

i prefer the aztec one =]

24.06.07 05:57 -

What about scouts? Bonus vs. monks

07.03.08 14:50 - human

by the time he reaches castle age ....there will be enough towers around his base and mines that it would be difficult for him to survive....use tower rush to counter as simple.... keep 3 villagers on mine stone from the time you are just going to advance in feudal age

08.03.08 21:10 - Mosquito

This strategy is excellent if executed properly. I recently hosted a LAN party and used this strategy combined with a teammates knight rush and managed to march around the map. Wasn't expecting it to work so well. Have the monk rusher add in some archers, and the knight rusher take care of seige, and you're set.

08.03.08 21:12 - Mosquito

For the record, it was AoE2 with conquerers expansion patch 1.0C. I modified this strategy so I castled a little later, and had more resources available to be on pace with the knight rush.

18.03.08 18:44 - ashish

who will protect monks from enemy military

22.03.08 04:38 - Mosquito

That early in the game, the monks themselves do. If you do it right you should be hitting them around 17-18 minutes in with the monks and at that point they shouldn't have much for military, if they do, convert what you can and turn them on themselves. It is actually pretty effective.

23.04.08 00:00 - Jer

I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work?

23.04.08 00:11 - Jer

I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work?

07.05.08 12:09 - rikos

Stop the game and go to fish

03.06.08 20:00 - ..

just counter with teuton scouts (teutons if you know enemy is gonna smush)

05.07.08 13:43 - martin

heey, I have tried to play the download with age of kings, Aoe2 Conquerors orginal and Aoe2 Conquerors 1.0c patch. Nothing is working:( What can I do?

22.07.08 21:07 - jose

actually, the download WORKS

22.08.08 13:31 - pure saracen

how do u fix the prob with wrong .exe or .dat file if no1 nos does any1 have it working if so could u record with hypercam and tell me so i can give u my email and u can send it to me. plzz ths would be so kind

23.08.08 20:50 - Ritwik

dude this is the sexiest thng tht aoe will see i mean the craziness and the fking speed of this attack is nut i mean imagine u dont even lose ne thng plus u convert his villagers at the cost of wat.. nothing amazing man .. who ever thought of this strategy hats off dude.. its almost invincible if played rite but ya if ur dumb enuf to screw up the basics then u'll get raped

08.09.08 05:57 - V!vaLaRevolucion!!

ehh.. baje el archivo pero como carajos lo veo?? translation.. i did download the file, but how the fuck i am supossed to watch it?

09.09.08 02:09 - im sorry

actually, in the attached file u will find only an image of walls spelling 'fuck yourself'

09.09.08 05:08 - V!vaLaRevolucion!!

so,it was all a joke?.. did anyone find any recorded game from The Sheriff?? plz letme know!!

09.09.08 19:32 - XXX_SQUAD

This rec works only with unpatched AoK, not any version of Aoc. FFS, this game was played in 2000, then AoC was not released. It's worth watching a 100 times over. You will never get bored.

09.09.08 19:33 - XXX_SQUAD

http://www.mrfixitonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=3729 You can also try this.

10.09.08 19:23 - V!vaLaRevolucion!!

thats nice!!, but!! i cant neither watch it,i do own non patched aok version but doesnt work it drops an error on exe nor dat files, any program to watch recorded game files? and yes i do google it :P

17.09.08 19:01 - V!vaLaRevolucion!!

Ok, i just read the strategy, i dont even look at the recorded game, and it worked GREAT!! i castle in 15 min(have to practice)i kicked the ass of 6 pikemen with 4 monks(converted 4, and those 4 kicked the other 2 lol) then i used 4 pikemen and 4 monk and still converting villager, army(by convertion, houses too!) and adding monk to the crew :D!! yay! thanx for all i win in about 27 mins

17.09.08 19:03 - V!vaLaRevolucion!!

and YES vs a human player!! then i played again 2v2 and win again :P booyaa!!

26.09.08 09:52 - manish

i waana play online game come challenge me manish_thapa4@yahoo.com

19.10.08 00:53 - Odd

Hey, can you make a Recorded game for conquerors?

21.10.08 16:39 - Destroyer

Why are you abandoning aoe 2 msn zone? It's sad... We are playing aoe 3 TAD, but, ever is good to play aoe 2...

29.10.08 00:06 - AlexanderTGreat

Go to IGZONES.COM to play age of empires online over 1000 members active every day :D

03.11.08 11:34 - Odd

Hey, I want to play aoe2 online but I dont now how? I tryed the msn zone, but I cant find aoe2 there.

02.04.09 21:54 - Credive

The best civilization is no doubt the Aztecs. Their monk-bonuses is one thing, but they also have the eagle warrior which will easily slay any scout that tries an attack.

23.04.09 04:56 - Tu_khan

I've read your opinions and hope it works fine... But how can I get castle 13.30(I think it is very short) My usual castle time is 18 and generate knights. Let me know way to get castle faster even if you have random civilization

18.06.09 21:43 - Yoshlazer

I killed the computer on hardest with this strategy! and that was only practice.

18.07.09 07:19 - Bobert R.

What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick?

18.07.09 07:26 - Bobert R.

What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick?

08.10.09 13:09 - Stoned

Can anyone tell me how to do a monk rush...which civ is best for the monk rush?

18.03.10 14:49 - dk

any1 who wants to see another recored just search smush aoe on youtube.... the sheriffs famous smush is there

28.04.10 21:13 - hmmm

I cant load the demo..

21.06.10 09:59 - saharsh

my email id is saharshbagaria@yahoo.co.in plzz send me recorded games so that i can improve

11.12.10 11:17 - Massive_atacK

Ye strat excellent but anywone now how to see this rec? :)

20.03.11 17:18 - gccnmvmk

There's no need for a record, I defeated a computer in hardest with this tactic (1 vs 1) in my first try. Just write the instructions on a paper and see it during the game.

23.03.11 03:11 - castles

U could trade wood 4 stone,etc if u run out of resources.....

17.08.11 00:56 - Luke

Okay, I am really curious and want an answer about the whole monks thing, why are we supposed to build monks??? RANDOM!!!

19.08.11 23:20 - David Rutter, lol

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10.12.11 01:19 - Secret Santa

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10.12.11 01:20 - Front page: Index Now reading: The Smush Sitemap:

Front page: Index Now reading: The Smush Sitemap: Sitemap Random Map Tactics: 20 Eagles in 20 minutes 20 Knights in 20 minutes Ak-47 Mongol rush Briton Archer Flush Mayan Drush Scout Rush Tips The Saracen Scout Rush The Smush Road to Expert: Step 1 - Introduction Step 2 - Data Tables and Times Step 3 - Economy Upgrades Step 4 - Nomad Step 5 - Land Nomad Step 6 - Grush and Island Strategies Guides: Cheats Psychological Warfare Civilizations: The Aztecs The Britons The Koreans The Mayans Interviews: Interview with toree Contact: tonihegmail.com Link to this page: Age of Empires 2: The Conquerors Tactics & Guides -> Random Map -> The Smush -> Page 1 9 votes The Smush The Smush Page 2 >> As castle times get faster and faster we begin bumping up into the theoretical limit at how fast you can be and still have sufficient resources to attack your enemy. As was demonstrated in the castle time challenge, practical castle times can be as 12:00 or lower, given sufficient time to micromanage events. However castling too fast leaves weak and unable to develop sufficient military to take advantage of your speed. It makes sense that there is some optimal time for castling that allows speed but also sufficient economy. So far that optimal time was around 15:30 or so. However, while puttering around at Microsoft, Sheriff has been working on some killer new strategies to whomp on his fellow testers. One of those strategies is his Saracen monk rush - which we now reveal to the rest of the AOK world. This new strategy seems to lower the boom on the old thoughts of size of economy necessary to support an offensive, especially when castle times are now two full minutes below the old times. In real games, defeating real opponents, Sheriff has achieved castle times of under 13:30! This article explains the general concept, contains a recorded game example in action (against real opponents), and the follows with some broader implications for AOK strategy. Sheriff's step-by-step actions are presented at the end for those that cannot review the game or want more detail. The concept is basically four-fold: At first, we Feudal early with only 19 villagers. Secondly, using the market, we can improve the Saracen's early economy by trading our initial stone for wood and food, improving our castle time significantly. This is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Next we mine stone almost exclusively, trading it away for gold, which we can then use to buy some extra wood for our castle buildings. Again, this is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Finally, we use monks, en masse, which have no counter this early in the game, and allow us to focus most of our entire economy on gold. How can we improve this strategy? Fewer or more villagers do not seem to improve performance significantly. Fewer villagers do not lower time to castle and more villagers delays the assault. Other civilizations are possible choices for this strategy, but it would have to be modified to account for poorer market-trading performance. For example, Chinese should be able to get to castle very early and they could also make only monks. It is important to have both sanctity and redemption, however. Using other civilizations - we might call this the MUSH (for Monk rUSH) In team games, having a Byzantine ally makes this strategy amazingly effective. Your monk army is nearly invincible, since the Byzantine team bonus is 3x faster healing If the enemy defends with tower, we can quickly switch to producing rams. How can we improve counters to this strategy? Towers are the only real defensive measure. Monks have a range of 9 and towers have a range of 8. It is possible to keep monks away using a few towers. The SMUSH economy is very lean and there are no defenses at home. Making a few archers and sending them to the SMUSHers base could devastate him, especially if you do it early enough. In team games, your ally can castle rush the SMUSHer and crush his economy. In team games it is vitally important that your ally also rush the other opponent to prevent aid FROM coming and hurting you. What this means is that against a SMUSH, you will either need to defend with towers, or attack with feudal units. Units defending at home are likely to get converted and used against you. His monks are a poor target unless you can wipe all of them out. You are better off attacking his base.) Since towers are generally a losing proposition when used at home in defense, attacking with feudal age troops will most likely be the best defense. Sheriff's step-by-step plan is very simple and can be executed by almost anyone. Your performance may vary based on the map, number of resources, your opponent, and other evils that befall you. Note that this is not against a computer; this is a real game with real opponents with real lag. You will notice many mistakes and areas where he could have improved. The Smush Page 2 >> Jump to topPrint this article Comments: 06.11.06 22:27 - what is the source, where is the rec? 07.11.06 18:23 - Soosi Shanks from empireslegacy got this from somewhere, dunno where. 16.12.06 14:46 - Soosi Ok, found the record, attached on the second page. 20.12.06 18:46 - Narse this strat is for age of kings, how does it work on conquerors? 20.12.06 22:30 - Conqueror well this is good if ur playing 1v1 or even 2v2 but its not effective in 3v3 or 4v4.... 23.12.06 07:19 - Narse how about this strat against some archers? sure it would work? 07.02.07 09:04 - phaeton i prefer the aztec one =] 24.06.07 05:57 - What about scouts? Bonus vs. monks 07.03.08 14:50 - human by the time he reaches castle age ....there will be enough towers around his base and mines that it would be difficult for him to survive....use tower rush to counter as simple.... keep 3 villagers on mine stone from the time you are just going to advance in feudal age 08.03.08 21:10 - Mosquito This strategy is excellent if executed properly. I recently hosted a LAN party and used this strategy combined with a teammates knight rush and managed to march around the map. Wasn't expecting it to work so well. Have the monk rusher add in some archers, and the knight rusher take care of seige, and you're set. 08.03.08 21:12 - Mosquito For the record, it was AoE2 with conquerers expansion patch 1.0C. I modified this strategy so I castled a little later, and had more resources available to be on pace with the knight rush. 18.03.08 18:44 - ashish who will protect monks from enemy military 22.03.08 04:38 - Mosquito That early in the game, the monks themselves do. If you do it right you should be hitting them around 17-18 minutes in with the monks and at that point they shouldn't have much for military, if they do, convert what you can and turn them on themselves. It is actually pretty effective. 23.04.08 00:00 - Jer I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work? 23.04.08 00:11 - Jer I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work? 07.05.08 12:09 - rikos Stop the game and go to fish 03.06.08 20:00 - .. just counter with teuton scouts (teutons if you know enemy is gonna smush) 05.07.08 13:43 - martin heey, I have tried to play the download with age of kings, Aoe2 Conquerors orginal and Aoe2 Conquerors 1.0c patch. Nothing is working:( What can I do? 22.07.08 21:07 - jose actually, the download WORKS 22.08.08 13:31 - pure saracen how do u fix the prob with wrong .exe or .dat file if no1 nos does any1 have it working if so could u record with hypercam and tell me so i can give u my email and u can send it to me. plzz ths would be so kind 23.08.08 20:50 - Ritwik dude this is the sexiest thng tht aoe will see i mean the craziness and the fking speed of this attack is nut i mean imagine u dont even lose ne thng plus u convert his villagers at the cost of wat.. nothing amazing man .. who ever thought of this strategy hats off dude.. its almost invincible if played rite but ya if ur dumb enuf to screw up the basics then u'll get raped 08.09.08 05:57 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! ehh.. baje el archivo pero como carajos lo veo?? translation.. i did download the file, but how the fuck i am supossed to watch it? 09.09.08 02:09 - im sorry actually, in the attached file u will find only an image of walls spelling 'fuck yourself' 09.09.08 05:08 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! so,it was all a joke?.. did anyone find any recorded game from The Sheriff?? plz letme know!! 09.09.08 19:32 - XXX_SQUAD This rec works only with unpatched AoK, not any version of Aoc. FFS, this game was played in 2000, then AoC was not released. It's worth watching a 100 times over. You will never get bored. 09.09.08 19:33 - XXX_SQUAD http://www.mrfixitonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=3729 You can also try this. 10.09.08 19:23 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! thats nice!!, but!! i cant neither watch it,i do own non patched aok version but doesnt work it drops an error on exe nor dat files, any program to watch recorded game files? and yes i do google it :P 17.09.08 19:01 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! Ok, i just read the strategy, i dont even look at the recorded game, and it worked GREAT!! i castle in 15 min(have to practice)i kicked the ass of 6 pikemen with 4 monks(converted 4, and those 4 kicked the other 2 lol) then i used 4 pikemen and 4 monk and still converting villager, army(by convertion, houses too!) and adding monk to the crew :D!! yay! thanx for all i win in about 27 mins 17.09.08 19:03 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! and YES vs a human player!! then i played again 2v2 and win again :P booyaa!! 26.09.08 09:52 - manish i waana play online game come challenge me manish_thapa4@yahoo.com 19.10.08 00:53 - Odd Hey, can you make a Recorded game for conquerors? 21.10.08 16:39 - Destroyer Why are you abandoning aoe 2 msn zone? It's sad... We are playing aoe 3 TAD, but, ever is good to play aoe 2... 29.10.08 00:06 - AlexanderTGreat Go to IGZONES.COM to play age of empires online over 1000 members active every day :D 03.11.08 11:34 - Odd Hey, I want to play aoe2 online but I dont now how? I tryed the msn zone, but I cant find aoe2 there. 02.04.09 21:54 - Credive The best civilization is no doubt the Aztecs. Their monk-bonuses is one thing, but they also have the eagle warrior which will easily slay any scout that tries an attack. 23.04.09 04:56 - Tu_khan I've read your opinions and hope it works fine... But how can I get castle 13.30(I think it is very short) My usual castle time is 18 and generate knights. Let me know way to get castle faster even if you have random civilization 18.06.09 21:43 - Yoshlazer I killed the computer on hardest with this strategy! and that was only practice. 18.07.09 07:19 - Bobert R. What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick? 18.07.09 07:26 - Bobert R. What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick? 08.10.09 13:09 - Stoned Can anyone tell me how to do a monk rush...which civ is best for the monk rush? 18.03.10 14:49 - dk any1 who wants to see another recored just search smush aoe on youtube.... the sheriffs famous smush is there 28.04.10 21:13 - hmmm I cant load the demo.. 21.06.10 09:59 - saharsh my email id is saharshbagaria@yahoo.co.in plzz send me recorded games so that i can improve 11.12.10 11:17 - Massive_atacK Ye strat excellent but anywone now how to see this rec? :) 20.03.11 17:18 - gccnmvmk There's no need for a record, I defeated a computer in hardest with this tactic (1 vs 1) in my first try. Just write the instructions on a paper and see it during the game. 23.03.11 03:11 - castles U could trade wood 4 stone,etc if u run out of resources..... 17.08.11 00:56 - Luke Okay, I am really curious and want an answer about the whole monks thing, why are we supposed to build monks??? RANDOM!!! 19.08.11 23:20 - David Rutter, lol I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL FIFA 12 COMES OUT... I LOVE EA SPORTS FOOTBALL I ALSO LOVE WALMART!!! Always go their to shop if you are going to... 10.12.11 01:19 - Secret Santa a b c d e f g h i j k l m o p q r s t u v w x y z

10.12.11 01:20 - Front page: Index Now reading: The Smush Sitemap:

Front page: Index Now reading: The Smush Sitemap: Sitemap Random Map Tactics: 20 Eagles in 20 minutes 20 Knights in 20 minutes Ak-47 Mongol rush Briton Archer Flush Mayan Drush Scout Rush Tips The Saracen Scout Rush The Smush Road to Expert: Step 1 - Introduction Step 2 - Data Tables and Times Step 3 - Economy Upgrades Step 4 - Nomad Step 5 - Land Nomad Step 6 - Grush and Island Strategies Guides: Cheats Psychological Warfare Civilizations: The Aztecs The Britons The Koreans The Mayans Interviews: Interview with toree Contact: tonihegmail.com Link to this page: Age of Empires 2: The Conquerors Tactics & Guides -> Random Map -> The Smush -> Page 1 9 votes The Smush The Smush Page 2 >> As castle times get faster and faster we begin bumping up into the theoretical limit at how fast you can be and still have sufficient resources to attack your enemy. As was demonstrated in the castle time challenge, practical castle times can be as 12:00 or lower, given sufficient time to micromanage events. However castling too fast leaves weak and unable to develop sufficient military to take advantage of your speed. It makes sense that there is some optimal time for castling that allows speed but also sufficient economy. So far that optimal time was around 15:30 or so. However, while puttering around at Microsoft, Sheriff has been working on some killer new strategies to whomp on his fellow testers. One of those strategies is his Saracen monk rush - which we now reveal to the rest of the AOK world. This new strategy seems to lower the boom on the old thoughts of size of economy necessary to support an offensive, especially when castle times are now two full minutes below the old times. In real games, defeating real opponents, Sheriff has achieved castle times of under 13:30! This article explains the general concept, contains a recorded game example in action (against real opponents), and the follows with some broader implications for AOK strategy. Sheriff's step-by-step actions are presented at the end for those that cannot review the game or want more detail. The concept is basically four-fold: At first, we Feudal early with only 19 villagers. Secondly, using the market, we can improve the Saracen's early economy by trading our initial stone for wood and food, improving our castle time significantly. This is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Next we mine stone almost exclusively, trading it away for gold, which we can then use to buy some extra wood for our castle buildings. Again, this is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Finally, we use monks, en masse, which have no counter this early in the game, and allow us to focus most of our entire economy on gold. How can we improve this strategy? Fewer or more villagers do not seem to improve performance significantly. Fewer villagers do not lower time to castle and more villagers delays the assault. Other civilizations are possible choices for this strategy, but it would have to be modified to account for poorer market-trading performance. For example, Chinese should be able to get to castle very early and they could also make only monks. It is important to have both sanctity and redemption, however. Using other civilizations - we might call this the MUSH (for Monk rUSH) In team games, having a Byzantine ally makes this strategy amazingly effective. Your monk army is nearly invincible, since the Byzantine team bonus is 3x faster healing If the enemy defends with tower, we can quickly switch to producing rams. How can we improve counters to this strategy? Towers are the only real defensive measure. Monks have a range of 9 and towers have a range of 8. It is possible to keep monks away using a few towers. The SMUSH economy is very lean and there are no defenses at home. Making a few archers and sending them to the SMUSHers base could devastate him, especially if you do it early enough. In team games, your ally can castle rush the SMUSHer and crush his economy. In team games it is vitally important that your ally also rush the other opponent to prevent aid FROM coming and hurting you. What this means is that against a SMUSH, you will either need to defend with towers, or attack with feudal units. Units defending at home are likely to get converted and used against you. His monks are a poor target unless you can wipe all of them out. You are better off attacking his base.) Since towers are generally a losing proposition when used at home in defense, attacking with feudal age troops will most likely be the best defense. Sheriff's step-by-step plan is very simple and can be executed by almost anyone. Your performance may vary based on the map, number of resources, your opponent, and other evils that befall you. Note that this is not against a computer; this is a real game with real opponents with real lag. You will notice many mistakes and areas where he could have improved. The Smush Page 2 >> Jump to topPrint this article Comments: 06.11.06 22:27 - what is the source, where is the rec? 07.11.06 18:23 - Soosi Shanks from empireslegacy got this from somewhere, dunno where. 16.12.06 14:46 - Soosi Ok, found the record, attached on the second page. 20.12.06 18:46 - Narse this strat is for age of kings, how does it work on conquerors? 20.12.06 22:30 - Conqueror well this is good if ur playing 1v1 or even 2v2 but its not effective in 3v3 or 4v4.... 23.12.06 07:19 - Narse how about this strat against some archers? sure it would work? 07.02.07 09:04 - phaeton i prefer the aztec one =] 24.06.07 05:57 - What about scouts? Bonus vs. monks 07.03.08 14:50 - human by the time he reaches castle age ....there will be enough towers around his base and mines that it would be difficult for him to survive....use tower rush to counter as simple.... keep 3 villagers on mine stone from the time you are just going to advance in feudal age 08.03.08 21:10 - Mosquito This strategy is excellent if executed properly. I recently hosted a LAN party and used this strategy combined with a teammates knight rush and managed to march around the map. Wasn't expecting it to work so well. Have the monk rusher add in some archers, and the knight rusher take care of seige, and you're set. 08.03.08 21:12 - Mosquito For the record, it was AoE2 with conquerers expansion patch 1.0C. I modified this strategy so I castled a little later, and had more resources available to be on pace with the knight rush. 18.03.08 18:44 - ashish who will protect monks from enemy military 22.03.08 04:38 - Mosquito That early in the game, the monks themselves do. If you do it right you should be hitting them around 17-18 minutes in with the monks and at that point they shouldn't have much for military, if they do, convert what you can and turn them on themselves. It is actually pretty effective. 23.04.08 00:00 - Jer I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work? 23.04.08 00:11 - Jer I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work? 07.05.08 12:09 - rikos Stop the game and go to fish 03.06.08 20:00 - .. just counter with teuton scouts (teutons if you know enemy is gonna smush) 05.07.08 13:43 - martin heey, I have tried to play the download with age of kings, Aoe2 Conquerors orginal and Aoe2 Conquerors 1.0c patch. Nothing is working:( What can I do? 22.07.08 21:07 - jose actually, the download WORKS 22.08.08 13:31 - pure saracen how do u fix the prob with wrong .exe or .dat file if no1 nos does any1 have it working if so could u record with hypercam and tell me so i can give u my email and u can send it to me. plzz ths would be so kind 23.08.08 20:50 - Ritwik dude this is the sexiest thng tht aoe will see i mean the craziness and the fking speed of this attack is nut i mean imagine u dont even lose ne thng plus u convert his villagers at the cost of wat.. nothing amazing man .. who ever thought of this strategy hats off dude.. its almost invincible if played rite but ya if ur dumb enuf to screw up the basics then u'll get raped 08.09.08 05:57 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! ehh.. baje el archivo pero como carajos lo veo?? translation.. i did download the file, but how the fuck i am supossed to watch it? 09.09.08 02:09 - im sorry actually, in the attached file u will find only an image of walls spelling 'fuck yourself' 09.09.08 05:08 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! so,it was all a joke?.. did anyone find any recorded game from The Sheriff?? plz letme know!! 09.09.08 19:32 - XXX_SQUAD This rec works only with unpatched AoK, not any version of Aoc. FFS, this game was played in 2000, then AoC was not released. It's worth watching a 100 times over. You will never get bored. 09.09.08 19:33 - XXX_SQUAD http://www.mrfixitonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=3729 You can also try this. 10.09.08 19:23 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! thats nice!!, but!! i cant neither watch it,i do own non patched aok version but doesnt work it drops an error on exe nor dat files, any program to watch recorded game files? and yes i do google it :P 17.09.08 19:01 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! Ok, i just read the strategy, i dont even look at the recorded game, and it worked GREAT!! i castle in 15 min(have to practice)i kicked the ass of 6 pikemen with 4 monks(converted 4, and those 4 kicked the other 2 lol) then i used 4 pikemen and 4 monk and still converting villager, army(by convertion, houses too!) and adding monk to the crew :D!! yay! thanx for all i win in about 27 mins 17.09.08 19:03 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! and YES vs a human player!! then i played again 2v2 and win again :P booyaa!! 26.09.08 09:52 - manish i waana play online game come challenge me manish_thapa4@yahoo.com 19.10.08 00:53 - Odd Hey, can you make a Recorded game for conquerors? 21.10.08 16:39 - Destroyer Why are you abandoning aoe 2 msn zone? It's sad... We are playing aoe 3 TAD, but, ever is good to play aoe 2... 29.10.08 00:06 - AlexanderTGreat Go to IGZONES.COM to play age of empires online over 1000 members active every day :D 03.11.08 11:34 - Odd Hey, I want to play aoe2 online but I dont now how? I tryed the msn zone, but I cant find aoe2 there. 02.04.09 21:54 - Credive The best civilization is no doubt the Aztecs. Their monk-bonuses is one thing, but they also have the eagle warrior which will easily slay any scout that tries an attack. 23.04.09 04:56 - Tu_khan I've read your opinions and hope it works fine... But how can I get castle 13.30(I think it is very short) My usual castle time is 18 and generate knights. Let me know way to get castle faster even if you have random civilization 18.06.09 21:43 - Yoshlazer I killed the computer on hardest with this strategy! and that was only practice. 18.07.09 07:19 - Bobert R. What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick? 18.07.09 07:26 - Bobert R. What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick? 08.10.09 13:09 - Stoned Can anyone tell me how to do a monk rush...which civ is best for the monk rush? 18.03.10 14:49 - dk any1 who wants to see another recored just search smush aoe on youtube.... the sheriffs famous smush is there 28.04.10 21:13 - hmmm I cant load the demo.. 21.06.10 09:59 - saharsh my email id is saharshbagaria@yahoo.co.in plzz send me recorded games so that i can improve 11.12.10 11:17 - Massive_atacK Ye strat excellent but anywone now how to see this rec? :) 20.03.11 17:18 - gccnmvmk There's no need for a record, I defeated a computer in hardest with this tactic (1 vs 1) in my first try. Just write the instructions on a paper and see it during the game. 23.03.11 03:11 - castles U could trade wood 4 stone,etc if u run out of resources..... 17.08.11 00:56 - Luke Okay, I am really curious and want an answer about the whole monks thing, why are we supposed to build monks??? RANDOM!!! 19.08.11 23:20 - David Rutter, lol I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL FIFA 12 COMES OUT... I LOVE EA SPORTS FOOTBALL I ALSO LOVE WALMART!!! Always go their to shop if you are going to... 10.12.11 01:19 - Secret Santa a b c d e f g h i j k l m o p q r s t u v w x y z 10.12.11 01:20 - Front page: Index Now reading: The Smush Sitemap: Front page: Index Now reading: The Smush Sitemap: Sitemap Random Map Tactics: 20 Eagles in 20 minutes 20 Knights in 20 minutes Ak-47 Mongol rush Briton Archer Flush Mayan Drush Scout Rush Tips The Saracen Scout Rush The Smush Road to Expert: Step 1 - Introduction Step 2 - Data Tables and Times Step 3 - Economy Upgrades Step 4 - Nomad Step 5 - Land Nomad Step 6 - Grush and Island Strategies Guides: Cheats Psychological Warfare Civilizations: The Aztecs The Britons The Koreans The Mayans Interviews: Interview with toree Contact: tonihegmail.com Link to this page: Age of Empires 2: The Conquerors Tactics & Guides -> Random Map -> The Smush -> Page 1 9 votes The Smush The Smush Page 2 >> As castle times get faster and faster we begin bumping up into the theoretical limit at how fast you can be and still have sufficient resources to attack your enemy. As was demonstrated in the castle time challenge, practical castle times can be as 12:00 or lower, given sufficient time to micromanage events. However castling too fast leaves weak and unable to develop sufficient military to take advantage of your speed. It makes sense that there is some optimal time for castling that allows speed but also sufficient economy. So far that optimal time was around 15:30 or so. However, while puttering around at Microsoft, Sheriff has been working on some killer new strategies to whomp on his fellow testers. One of those strategies is his Saracen monk rush - which we now reveal to the rest of the AOK world. This new strategy seems to lower the boom on the old thoughts of size of economy necessary to support an offensive, especially when castle times are now two full minutes below the old times. In real games, defeating real opponents, Sheriff has achieved castle times of under 13:30! This article explains the general concept, contains a recorded game example in action (against real opponents), and the follows with some broader implications for AOK strategy. Sheriff's step-by-step actions are presented at the end for those that cannot review the game or want more detail. The concept is basically four-fold: At first, we Feudal early with only 19 villagers. Secondly, using the market, we can improve the Saracen's early economy by trading our initial stone for wood and food, improving our castle time significantly. This is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Next we mine stone almost exclusively, trading it away for gold, which we can then use to buy some extra wood for our castle buildings. Again, this is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Finally, we use monks, en masse, which have no counter this early in the game, and allow us to focus most of our entire economy on gold. How can we improve this strategy? Fewer or more villagers do not seem to improve performance significantly. Fewer villagers do not lower time to castle and more villagers delays the assault. Other civilizations are possible choices for this strategy, but it would have to be modified to account for poorer market-trading performance. For example, Chinese should be able to get to castle very early and they could also make only monks. It is important to have both sanctity and redemption, however. Using other civilizations - we might call this the MUSH (for Monk rUSH) In team games, having a Byzantine ally makes this strategy amazingly effective. Your monk army is nearly invincible, since the Byzantine team bonus is 3x faster healing If the enemy defends with tower, we can quickly switch to producing rams. How can we improve counters to this strategy? Towers are the only real defensive measure. Monks have a range of 9 and towers have a range of 8. It is possible to keep monks away using a few towers. The SMUSH economy is very lean and there are no defenses at home. Making a few archers and sending them to the SMUSHers base could devastate him, especially if you do it early enough. In team games, your ally can castle rush the SMUSHer and crush his economy. In team games it is vitally important that your ally also rush the other opponent to prevent aid FROM coming and hurting you. What this means is that against a SMUSH, you will either need to defend with towers, or attack with feudal units. Units defending at home are likely to get converted and used against you. His monks are a poor target unless you can wipe all of them out. You are better off attacking his base.) Since towers are generally a losing proposition when used at home in defense, attacking with feudal age troops will most likely be the best defense. Sheriff's step-by-step plan is very simple and can be executed by almost anyone. Your performance may vary based on the map, number of resources, your opponent, and other evils that befall you. Note that this is not against a computer; this is a real game with real opponents with real lag. You will notice many mistakes and areas where he could have improved. The Smush Page 2 >> Jump to topPrint this article Comments: 06.11.06 22:27 - what is the source, where is the rec? 07.11.06 18:23 - Soosi Shanks from empireslegacy got this from somewhere, dunno where. 16.12.06 14:46 - Soosi Ok, found the record, attached on the second page. 20.12.06 18:46 - Narse this strat is for age of kings, how does it work on conquerors? 20.12.06 22:30 - Conqueror well this is good if ur playing 1v1 or even 2v2 but its not effective in 3v3 or 4v4.... 23.12.06 07:19 - Narse how about this strat against some archers? sure it would work? 07.02.07 09:04 - phaeton i prefer the aztec one =] 24.06.07 05:57 - What about scouts? Bonus vs. monks 07.03.08 14:50 - human by the time he reaches castle age ....there will be enough towers around his base and mines that it would be difficult for him to survive....use tower rush to counter as simple.... keep 3 villagers on mine stone from the time you are just going to advance in feudal age 08.03.08 21:10 - Mosquito This strategy is excellent if executed properly. I recently hosted a LAN party and used this strategy combined with a teammates knight rush and managed to march around the map. Wasn't expecting it to work so well. Have the monk rusher add in some archers, and the knight rusher take care of seige, and you're set. 08.03.08 21:12 - Mosquito For the record, it was AoE2 with conquerers expansion patch 1.0C. I modified this strategy so I castled a little later, and had more resources available to be on pace with the knight rush. 18.03.08 18:44 - ashish who will protect monks from enemy military 22.03.08 04:38 - Mosquito That early in the game, the monks themselves do. If you do it right you should be hitting them around 17-18 minutes in with the monks and at that point they shouldn't have much for military, if they do, convert what you can and turn them on themselves. It is actually pretty effective. 23.04.08 00:00 - Jer I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work? 23.04.08 00:11 - Jer I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work? 07.05.08 12:09 - rikos Stop the game and go to fish 03.06.08 20:00 - .. just counter with teuton scouts (teutons if you know enemy is gonna smush) 05.07.08 13:43 - martin heey, I have tried to play the download with age of kings, Aoe2 Conquerors orginal and Aoe2 Conquerors 1.0c patch. Nothing is working:( What can I do? 22.07.08 21:07 - jose actually, the download WORKS 22.08.08 13:31 - pure saracen how do u fix the prob with wrong .exe or .dat file if no1 nos does any1 have it working if so could u record with hypercam and tell me so i can give u my email and u can send it to me. plzz ths would be so kind 23.08.08 20:50 - Ritwik dude this is the sexiest thng tht aoe will see i mean the craziness and the fking speed of this attack is nut i mean imagine u dont even lose ne thng plus u convert his villagers at the cost of wat.. nothing amazing man .. who ever thought of this strategy hats off dude.. its almost invincible if played rite but ya if ur dumb enuf to screw up the basics then u'll get raped 08.09.08 05:57 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! ehh.. baje el archivo pero como carajos lo veo?? translation.. i did download the file, but how the fuck i am supossed to watch it? 09.09.08 02:09 - im sorry actually, in the attached file u will find only an image of walls spelling 'fuck yourself' 09.09.08 05:08 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! so,it was all a joke?.. did anyone find any recorded game from The Sheriff?? plz letme know!! 09.09.08 19:32 - XXX_SQUAD This rec works only with unpatched AoK, not any version of Aoc. FFS, this game was played in 2000, then AoC was not released. It's worth watching a 100 times over. You will never get bored. 09.09.08 19:33 - XXX_SQUAD http://www.mrfixitonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=3729 You can also try this. 10.09.08 19:23 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! thats nice!!, but!! i cant neither watch it,i do own non patched aok version but doesnt work it drops an error on exe nor dat files, any program to watch recorded game files? and yes i do google it :P 17.09.08 19:01 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! Ok, i just read the strategy, i dont even look at the recorded game, and it worked GREAT!! i castle in 15 min(have to practice)i kicked the ass of 6 pikemen with 4 monks(converted 4, and those 4 kicked the other 2 lol) then i used 4 pikemen and 4 monk and still converting villager, army(by convertion, houses too!) and adding monk to the crew :D!! yay! thanx for all i win in about 27 mins 17.09.08 19:03 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! and YES vs a human player!! then i played again 2v2 and win again :P booyaa!! 26.09.08 09:52 - manish i waana play online game come challenge me manish_thapa4@yahoo.com 19.10.08 00:53 - Odd Hey, can you make a Recorded game for conquerors? 21.10.08 16:39 - Destroyer Why are you abandoning aoe 2 msn zone? It's sad... We are playing aoe 3 TAD, but, ever is good to play aoe 2... 29.10.08 00:06 - AlexanderTGreat Go to IGZONES.COM to play age of empires online over 1000 members active every day :D 03.11.08 11:34 - Odd Hey, I want to play aoe2 online but I dont now how? I tryed the msn zone, but I cant find aoe2 there. 02.04.09 21:54 - Credive The best civilization is no doubt the Aztecs. Their monk-bonuses is one thing, but they also have the eagle warrior which will easily slay any scout that tries an attack. 23.04.09 04:56 - Tu_khan I've read your opinions and hope it works fine... But how can I get castle 13.30(I think it is very short) My usual castle time is 18 and generate knights. Let me know way to get castle faster even if you have random civilization 18.06.09 21:43 - Yoshlazer I killed the computer on hardest with this strategy! and that was only practice. 18.07.09 07:19 - Bobert R. What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick? 18.07.09 07:26 - Bobert R. What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick? 08.10.09 13:09 - Stoned Can anyone tell me how to do a monk rush...which civ is best for the monk rush? 18.03.10 14:49 - dk any1 who wants to see another recored just search smush aoe on youtube.... the sheriffs famous smush is there 28.04.10 21:13 - hmmm I cant load the demo.. 21.06.10 09:59 - saharsh my email id is saharshbagaria@yahoo.co.in plzz send me recorded games so that i can improve 11.12.10 11:17 - Massive_atacK Ye strat excellent but anywone now how to see this rec? :) 20.03.11 17:18 - gccnmvmk There's no need for a record, I defeated a computer in hardest with this tactic (1 vs 1) in my first try. Just write the instructions on a paper and see it during the game. 23.03.11 03:11 - castles U could trade wood 4 stone,etc if u run out of resources..... 17.08.11 00:56 - Luke Okay, I am really curious and want an answer about the whole monks thing, why are we supposed to build monks??? RANDOM!!! 19.08.11 23:20 - David Rutter, lol I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL FIFA 12 COMES OUT... I LOVE EA SPORTS FOOTBALL I ALSO LOVE WALMART!!! Always go their to shop if you are going to... 10.12.11 01:19 - Secret Santa a b c d e f g h i j k l m o p q r s t u v w x y z

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Front page: Index Now reading: The Smush Sitemap: Sitemap Random Map Tactics: 20 Eagles in 20 minutes 20 Knights in 20 minutes Ak-47 Mongol rush Briton Archer Flush Mayan Drush Scout Rush Tips The Saracen Scout Rush The Smush Road to Expert: Step 1 - Introduction Step 2 - Data Tables and Times Step 3 - Economy Upgrades Step 4 - Nomad Step 5 - Land Nomad Step 6 - Grush and Island Strategies Guides: Cheats Psychological Warfare Civilizations: The Aztecs The Britons The Koreans The Mayans Interviews: Interview with toree Contact: tonihegmail.com Link to this page: Age of Empires 2: The Conquerors Tactics & Guides -> Random Map -> The Smush -> Page 1 9 votes The Smush The Smush Page 2 >> As castle times get faster and faster we begin bumping up into the theoretical limit at how fast you can be and still have sufficient resources to attack your enemy. As was demonstrated in the castle time challenge, practical castle times can be as 12:00 or lower, given sufficient time to micromanage events. However castling too fast leaves weak and unable to develop sufficient military to take advantage of your speed. It makes sense that there is some optimal time for castling that allows speed but also sufficient economy. So far that optimal time was around 15:30 or so. However, while puttering around at Microsoft, Sheriff has been working on some killer new strategies to whomp on his fellow testers. One of those strategies is his Saracen monk rush - which we now reveal to the rest of the AOK world. This new strategy seems to lower the boom on the old thoughts of size of economy necessary to support an offensive, especially when castle times are now two full minutes below the old times. In real games, defeating real opponents, Sheriff has achieved castle times of under 13:30! This article explains the general concept, contains a recorded game example in action (against real opponents), and the follows with some broader implications for AOK strategy. Sheriff's step-by-step actions are presented at the end for those that cannot review the game or want more detail. The concept is basically four-fold: At first, we Feudal early with only 19 villagers. Secondly, using the market, we can improve the Saracen's early economy by trading our initial stone for wood and food, improving our castle time significantly. This is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Next we mine stone almost exclusively, trading it away for gold, which we can then use to buy some extra wood for our castle buildings. Again, this is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Finally, we use monks, en masse, which have no counter this early in the game, and allow us to focus most of our entire economy on gold. How can we improve this strategy? Fewer or more villagers do not seem to improve performance significantly. Fewer villagers do not lower time to castle and more villagers delays the assault. Other civilizations are possible choices for this strategy, but it would have to be modified to account for poorer market-trading performance. For example, Chinese should be able to get to castle very early and they could also make only monks. It is important to have both sanctity and redemption, however. Using other civilizations - we might call this the MUSH (for Monk rUSH) In team games, having a Byzantine ally makes this strategy amazingly effective. Your monk army is nearly invincible, since the Byzantine team bonus is 3x faster healing If the enemy defends with tower, we can quickly switch to producing rams. How can we improve counters to this strategy? Towers are the only real defensive measure. Monks have a range of 9 and towers have a range of 8. It is possible to keep monks away using a few towers. The SMUSH economy is very lean and there are no defenses at home. Making a few archers and sending them to the SMUSHers base could devastate him, especially if you do it early enough. In team games, your ally can castle rush the SMUSHer and crush his economy. In team games it is vitally important that your ally also rush the other opponent to prevent aid FROM coming and hurting you. What this means is that against a SMUSH, you will either need to defend with towers, or attack with feudal units. Units defending at home are likely to get converted and used against you. His monks are a poor target unless you can wipe all of them out. You are better off attacking his base.) Since towers are generally a losing proposition when used at home in defense, attacking with feudal age troops will most likely be the best defense. Sheriff's step-by-step plan is very simple and can be executed by almost anyone. Your performance may vary based on the map, number of resources, your opponent, and other evils that befall you. Note that this is not against a computer; this is a real game with real opponents with real lag. You will notice many mistakes and areas where he could have improved. The Smush Page 2 >> Jump to topPrint this article Comments: 06.11.06 22:27 - what is the source, where is the rec? 07.11.06 18:23 - Soosi Shanks from empireslegacy got this from somewhere, dunno where. 16.12.06 14:46 - Soosi Ok, found the record, attached on the second page. 20.12.06 18:46 - Narse this strat is for age of kings, how does it work on conquerors? 20.12.06 22:30 - Conqueror well this is good if ur playing 1v1 or even 2v2 but its not effective in 3v3 or 4v4.... 23.12.06 07:19 - Narse how about this strat against some archers? sure it would work? 07.02.07 09:04 - phaeton i prefer the aztec one =] 24.06.07 05:57 - What about scouts? Bonus vs. monks 07.03.08 14:50 - human by the time he reaches castle age ....there will be enough towers around his base and mines that it would be difficult for him to survive....use tower rush to counter as simple.... keep 3 villagers on mine stone from the time you are just going to advance in feudal age 08.03.08 21:10 - Mosquito This strategy is excellent if executed properly. I recently hosted a LAN party and used this strategy combined with a teammates knight rush and managed to march around the map. Wasn't expecting it to work so well. Have the monk rusher add in some archers, and the knight rusher take care of seige, and you're set. 08.03.08 21:12 - Mosquito For the record, it was AoE2 with conquerers expansion patch 1.0C. I modified this strategy so I castled a little later, and had more resources available to be on pace with the knight rush. 18.03.08 18:44 - ashish who will protect monks from enemy military 22.03.08 04:38 - Mosquito That early in the game, the monks themselves do. If you do it right you should be hitting them around 17-18 minutes in with the monks and at that point they shouldn't have much for military, if they do, convert what you can and turn them on themselves. It is actually pretty effective. 23.04.08 00:00 - Jer I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work? 23.04.08 00:11 - Jer I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work? 07.05.08 12:09 - rikos Stop the game and go to fish 03.06.08 20:00 - .. just counter with teuton scouts (teutons if you know enemy is gonna smush) 05.07.08 13:43 - martin heey, I have tried to play the download with age of kings, Aoe2 Conquerors orginal and Aoe2 Conquerors 1.0c patch. Nothing is working:( What can I do? 22.07.08 21:07 - jose actually, the download WORKS 22.08.08 13:31 - pure saracen how do u fix the prob with wrong .exe or .dat file if no1 nos does any1 have it working if so could u record with hypercam and tell me so i can give u my email and u can send it to me. plzz ths would be so kind 23.08.08 20:50 - Ritwik dude this is the sexiest thng tht aoe will see i mean the craziness and the fking speed of this attack is nut i mean imagine u dont even lose ne thng plus u convert his villagers at the cost of wat.. nothing amazing man .. who ever thought of this strategy hats off dude.. its almost invincible if played rite but ya if ur dumb enuf to screw up the basics then u'll get raped 08.09.08 05:57 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! ehh.. baje el archivo pero como carajos lo veo?? translation.. i did download the file, but how the fuck i am supossed to watch it? 09.09.08 02:09 - im sorry actually, in the attached file u will find only an image of walls spelling 'fuck yourself' 09.09.08 05:08 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! so,it was all a joke?.. did anyone find any recorded game from The Sheriff?? plz letme know!! 09.09.08 19:32 - XXX_SQUAD This rec works only with unpatched AoK, not any version of Aoc. FFS, this game was played in 2000, then AoC was not released. It's worth watching a 100 times over. You will never get bored. 09.09.08 19:33 - XXX_SQUAD http://www.mrfixitonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=3729 You can also try this. 10.09.08 19:23 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! thats nice!!, but!! i cant neither watch it,i do own non patched aok version but doesnt work it drops an error on exe nor dat files, any program to watch recorded game files? and yes i do google it :P 17.09.08 19:01 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! Ok, i just read the strategy, i dont even look at the recorded game, and it worked GREAT!! i castle in 15 min(have to practice)i kicked the ass of 6 pikemen with 4 monks(converted 4, and those 4 kicked the other 2 lol) then i used 4 pikemen and 4 monk and still converting villager, army(by convertion, houses too!) and adding monk to the crew :D!! yay! thanx for all i win in about 27 mins 17.09.08 19:03 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! and YES vs a human player!! then i played again 2v2 and win again :P booyaa!! 26.09.08 09:52 - manish i waana play online game come challenge me manish_thapa4@yahoo.com 19.10.08 00:53 - Odd Hey, can you make a Recorded game for conquerors? 21.10.08 16:39 - Destroyer Why are you abandoning aoe 2 msn zone? It's sad... We are playing aoe 3 TAD, but, ever is good to play aoe 2... 29.10.08 00:06 - AlexanderTGreat Go to IGZONES.COM to play age of empires online over 1000 members active every day :D 03.11.08 11:34 - Odd Hey, I want to play aoe2 online but I dont now how? I tryed the msn zone, but I cant find aoe2 there. 02.04.09 21:54 - Credive The best civilization is no doubt the Aztecs. Their monk-bonuses is one thing, but they also have the eagle warrior which will easily slay any scout that tries an attack. 23.04.09 04:56 - Tu_khan I've read your opinions and hope it works fine... But how can I get castle 13.30(I think it is very short) My usual castle time is 18 and generate knights. Let me know way to get castle faster even if you have random civilization 18.06.09 21:43 - Yoshlazer I killed the computer on hardest with this strategy! and that was only practice. 18.07.09 07:19 - Bobert R. What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick? 18.07.09 07:26 - Bobert R. What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick? 08.10.09 13:09 - Stoned Can anyone tell me how to do a monk rush...which civ is best for the monk rush? 18.03.10 14:49 - dk any1 who wants to see another recored just search smush aoe on youtube.... the sheriffs famous smush is there 28.04.10 21:13 - hmmm I cant load the demo.. 21.06.10 09:59 - saharsh my email id is saharshbagaria@yahoo.co.in plzz send me recorded games so that i can improve 11.12.10 11:17 - Massive_atacK Ye strat excellent but anywone now how to see this rec? :) 20.03.11 17:18 - gccnmvmk There's no need for a record, I defeated a computer in hardest with this tactic (1 vs 1) in my first try. Just write the instructions on a paper and see it during the game. 23.03.11 03:11 - castles U could trade wood 4 stone,etc if u run out of resources..... 17.08.11 00:56 - Luke Okay, I am really curious and want an answer about the whole monks thing, why are we supposed to build monks??? RANDOM!!! 19.08.11 23:20 - David Rutter, lol I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL FIFA 12 COMES OUT... I LOVE EA SPORTS FOOTBALL I ALSO LOVE WALMART!!! Always go their to shop if you are going to... 10.12.11 01:19 - Secret Santa a b c d e f g h i j k l m o p q r s t u v w x y z 10.12.11 01:20 - Front page: Index Now reading: The Smush Sitemap: Front page: Index Now reading: The Smush Sitemap: Sitemap Random Map Tactics: 20 Eagles in 20 minutes 20 Knights in 20 minutes Ak-47 Mongol rush Briton Archer Flush Mayan Drush Scout Rush Tips The Saracen Scout Rush The Smush Road to Expert: Step 1 - Introduction Step 2 - Data Tables and Times Step 3 - Economy Upgrades Step 4 - Nomad Step 5 - Land Nomad Step 6 - Grush and Island Strategies Guides: Cheats Psychological Warfare Civilizations: The Aztecs The Britons The Koreans The Mayans Interviews: Interview with toree Contact: tonihegmail.com Link to this page: Age of Empires 2: The Conquerors Tactics & Guides -> Random Map -> The Smush -> Page 1 9 votes The Smush The Smush Page 2 >> As castle times get faster and faster we begin bumping up into the theoretical limit at how fast you can be and still have sufficient resources to attack your enemy. As was demonstrated in the castle time challenge, practical castle times can be as 12:00 or lower, given sufficient time to micromanage events. However castling too fast leaves weak and unable to develop sufficient military to take advantage of your speed. It makes sense that there is some optimal time for castling that allows speed but also sufficient economy. So far that optimal time was around 15:30 or so. However, while puttering around at Microsoft, Sheriff has been working on some killer new strategies to whomp on his fellow testers. One of those strategies is his Saracen monk rush - which we now reveal to the rest of the AOK world. This new strategy seems to lower the boom on the old thoughts of size of economy necessary to support an offensive, especially when castle times are now two full minutes below the old times. In real games, defeating real opponents, Sheriff has achieved castle times of under 13:30! This article explains the general concept, contains a recorded game example in action (against real opponents), and the follows with some broader implications for AOK strategy. Sheriff's step-by-step actions are presented at the end for those that cannot review the game or want more detail. The concept is basically four-fold: At first, we Feudal early with only 19 villagers. Secondly, using the market, we can improve the Saracen's early economy by trading our initial stone for wood and food, improving our castle time significantly. This is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Next we mine stone almost exclusively, trading it away for gold, which we can then use to buy some extra wood for our castle buildings. Again, this is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Finally, we use monks, en masse, which have no counter this early in the game, and allow us to focus most of our entire economy on gold. How can we improve this strategy? Fewer or more villagers do not seem to improve performance significantly. Fewer villagers do not lower time to castle and more villagers delays the assault. Other civilizations are possible choices for this strategy, but it would have to be modified to account for poorer market-trading performance. For example, Chinese should be able to get to castle very early and they could also make only monks. It is important to have both sanctity and redemption, however. Using other civilizations - we might call this the MUSH (for Monk rUSH) In team games, having a Byzantine ally makes this strategy amazingly effective. Your monk army is nearly invincible, since the Byzantine team bonus is 3x faster healing If the enemy defends with tower, we can quickly switch to producing rams. How can we improve counters to this strategy? Towers are the only real defensive measure. Monks have a range of 9 and towers have a range of 8. It is possible to keep monks away using a few towers. The SMUSH economy is very lean and there are no defenses at home. Making a few archers and sending them to the SMUSHers base could devastate him, especially if you do it early enough. In team games, your ally can castle rush the SMUSHer and crush his economy. In team games it is vitally important that your ally also rush the other opponent to prevent aid FROM coming and hurting you. What this means is that against a SMUSH, you will either need to defend with towers, or attack with feudal units. Units defending at home are likely to get converted and used against you. His monks are a poor target unless you can wipe all of them out. You are better off attacking his base.) Since towers are generally a losing proposition when used at home in defense, attacking with feudal age troops will most likely be the best defense. Sheriff's step-by-step plan is very simple and can be executed by almost anyone. Your performance may vary based on the map, number of resources, your opponent, and other evils that befall you. Note that this is not against a computer; this is a real game with real opponents with real lag. You will notice many mistakes and areas where he could have improved. The Smush Page 2 >> Jump to topPrint this article Comments: 06.11.06 22:27 - what is the source, where is the rec? 07.11.06 18:23 - Soosi Shanks from empireslegacy got this from somewhere, dunno where. 16.12.06 14:46 - Soosi Ok, found the record, attached on the second page. 20.12.06 18:46 - Narse this strat is for age of kings, how does it work on conquerors? 20.12.06 22:30 - Conqueror well this is good if ur playing 1v1 or even 2v2 but its not effective in 3v3 or 4v4.... 23.12.06 07:19 - Narse how about this strat against some archers? sure it would work? 07.02.07 09:04 - phaeton i prefer the aztec one =] 24.06.07 05:57 - What about scouts? Bonus vs. monks 07.03.08 14:50 - human by the time he reaches castle age ....there will be enough towers around his base and mines that it would be difficult for him to survive....use tower rush to counter as simple.... keep 3 villagers on mine stone from the time you are just going to advance in feudal age 08.03.08 21:10 - Mosquito This strategy is excellent if executed properly. I recently hosted a LAN party and used this strategy combined with a teammates knight rush and managed to march around the map. Wasn't expecting it to work so well. Have the monk rusher add in some archers, and the knight rusher take care of seige, and you're set. 08.03.08 21:12 - Mosquito For the record, it was AoE2 with conquerers expansion patch 1.0C. I modified this strategy so I castled a little later, and had more resources available to be on pace with the knight rush. 18.03.08 18:44 - ashish who will protect monks from enemy military 22.03.08 04:38 - Mosquito That early in the game, the monks themselves do. If you do it right you should be hitting them around 17-18 minutes in with the monks and at that point they shouldn't have much for military, if they do, convert what you can and turn them on themselves. It is actually pretty effective. 23.04.08 00:00 - Jer I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work? 23.04.08 00:11 - Jer I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work? 07.05.08 12:09 - rikos Stop the game and go to fish 03.06.08 20:00 - .. just counter with teuton scouts (teutons if you know enemy is gonna smush) 05.07.08 13:43 - martin heey, I have tried to play the download with age of kings, Aoe2 Conquerors orginal and Aoe2 Conquerors 1.0c patch. Nothing is working:( What can I do? 22.07.08 21:07 - jose actually, the download WORKS 22.08.08 13:31 - pure saracen how do u fix the prob with wrong .exe or .dat file if no1 nos does any1 have it working if so could u record with hypercam and tell me so i can give u my email and u can send it to me. plzz ths would be so kind 23.08.08 20:50 - Ritwik dude this is the sexiest thng tht aoe will see i mean the craziness and the fking speed of this attack is nut i mean imagine u dont even lose ne thng plus u convert his villagers at the cost of wat.. nothing amazing man .. who ever thought of this strategy hats off dude.. its almost invincible if played rite but ya if ur dumb enuf to screw up the basics then u'll get raped 08.09.08 05:57 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! ehh.. baje el archivo pero como carajos lo veo?? translation.. i did download the file, but how the fuck i am supossed to watch it? 09.09.08 02:09 - im sorry actually, in the attached file u will find only an image of walls spelling 'fuck yourself' 09.09.08 05:08 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! so,it was all a joke?.. did anyone find any recorded game from The Sheriff?? plz letme know!! 09.09.08 19:32 - XXX_SQUAD This rec works only with unpatched AoK, not any version of Aoc. FFS, this game was played in 2000, then AoC was not released. It's worth watching a 100 times over. You will never get bored. 09.09.08 19:33 - XXX_SQUAD http://www.mrfixitonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=3729 You can also try this. 10.09.08 19:23 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! thats nice!!, but!! i cant neither watch it,i do own non patched aok version but doesnt work it drops an error on exe nor dat files, any program to watch recorded game files? and yes i do google it :P 17.09.08 19:01 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! Ok, i just read the strategy, i dont even look at the recorded game, and it worked GREAT!! i castle in 15 min(have to practice)i kicked the ass of 6 pikemen with 4 monks(converted 4, and those 4 kicked the other 2 lol) then i used 4 pikemen and 4 monk and still converting villager, army(by convertion, houses too!) and adding monk to the crew :D!! yay! thanx for all i win in about 27 mins 17.09.08 19:03 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! and YES vs a human player!! then i played again 2v2 and win again :P booyaa!! 26.09.08 09:52 - manish i waana play online game come challenge me manish_thapa4@yahoo.com 19.10.08 00:53 - Odd Hey, can you make a Recorded game for conquerors? 21.10.08 16:39 - Destroyer Why are you abandoning aoe 2 msn zone? It's sad... We are playing aoe 3 TAD, but, ever is good to play aoe 2... 29.10.08 00:06 - AlexanderTGreat Go to IGZONES.COM to play age of empires online over 1000 members active every day :D 03.11.08 11:34 - Odd Hey, I want to play aoe2 online but I dont now how? I tryed the msn zone, but I cant find aoe2 there. 02.04.09 21:54 - Credive The best civilization is no doubt the Aztecs. Their monk-bonuses is one thing, but they also have the eagle warrior which will easily slay any scout that tries an attack. 23.04.09 04:56 - Tu_khan I've read your opinions and hope it works fine... But how can I get castle 13.30(I think it is very short) My usual castle time is 18 and generate knights. Let me know way to get castle faster even if you have random civilization 18.06.09 21:43 - Yoshlazer I killed the computer on hardest with this strategy! and that was only practice. 18.07.09 07:19 - Bobert R. What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick? 18.07.09 07:26 - Bobert R. What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick? 08.10.09 13:09 - Stoned Can anyone tell me how to do a monk rush...which civ is best for the monk rush? 18.03.10 14:49 - dk any1 who wants to see another recored just search smush aoe on youtube.... the sheriffs famous smush is there 28.04.10 21:13 - hmmm I cant load the demo.. 21.06.10 09:59 - saharsh my email id is saharshbagaria@yahoo.co.in plzz send me recorded games so that i can improve 11.12.10 11:17 - Massive_atacK Ye strat excellent but anywone now how to see this rec? :) 20.03.11 17:18 - gccnmvmk There's no need for a record, I defeated a computer in hardest with this tactic (1 vs 1) in my first try. Just write the instructions on a paper and see it during the game. 23.03.11 03:11 - castles U could trade wood 4 stone,etc if u run out of resources..... 17.08.11 00:56 - Luke Okay, I am really curious and want an answer about the whole monks thing, why are we supposed to build monks??? RANDOM!!! 19.08.11 23:20 - David Rutter, lol I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL FIFA 12 COMES OUT... I LOVE EA SPORTS FOOTBALL I ALSO LOVE WALMART!!! Always go their to shop if you are going to... 10.12.11 01:19 - Secret Santa a b c d e f g h i j k l m o p q r s t u v w x y z 10.12.11 01:20 - Front page: Index Now reading: The Smush Sitemap: Front page: Index Now reading: The Smush Sitemap: Sitemap Random Map Tactics: 20 Eagles in 20 minutes 20 Knights in 20 minutes Ak-47 Mongol rush Briton Archer Flush Mayan Drush Scout Rush Tips The Saracen Scout Rush The Smush Road to Expert: Step 1 - Introduction Step 2 - Data Tables and Times Step 3 - Economy Upgrades Step 4 - Nomad Step 5 - Land Nomad Step 6 - Grush and Island Strategies Guides: Cheats Psychological Warfare Civilizations: The Aztecs The Britons The Koreans The Mayans Interviews: Interview with toree Contact: tonihegmail.com Link to this page: Age of Empires 2: The Conquerors Tactics & Guides -> Random Map -> The Smush -> Page 1 9 votes The Smush The Smush Page 2 >> As castle times get faster and faster we begin bumping up into the theoretical limit at how fast you can be and still have sufficient resources to attack your enemy. As was demonstrated in the castle time challenge, practical castle times can be as 12:00 or lower, given sufficient time to micromanage events. However castling too fast leaves weak and unable to develop sufficient military to take advantage of your speed. It makes sense that there is some optimal time for castling that allows speed but also sufficient economy. So far that optimal time was around 15:30 or so. However, while puttering around at Microsoft, Sheriff has been working on some killer new strategies to whomp on his fellow testers. One of those strategies is his Saracen monk rush - which we now reveal to the rest of the AOK world. This new strategy seems to lower the boom on the old thoughts of size of economy necessary to support an offensive, especially when castle times are now two full minutes below the old times. In real games, defeating real opponents, Sheriff has achieved castle times of under 13:30! This article explains the general concept, contains a recorded game example in action (against real opponents), and the follows with some broader implications for AOK strategy. Sheriff's step-by-step actions are presented at the end for those that cannot review the game or want more detail. The concept is basically four-fold: At first, we Feudal early with only 19 villagers. Secondly, using the market, we can improve the Saracen's early economy by trading our initial stone for wood and food, improving our castle time significantly. This is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Next we mine stone almost exclusively, trading it away for gold, which we can then use to buy some extra wood for our castle buildings. Again, this is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Finally, we use monks, en masse, which have no counter this early in the game, and allow us to focus most of our entire economy on gold. How can we improve this strategy? Fewer or more villagers do not seem to improve performance significantly. Fewer villagers do not lower time to castle and more villagers delays the assault. Other civilizations are possible choices for this strategy, but it would have to be modified to account for poorer market-trading performance. For example, Chinese should be able to get to castle very early and they could also make only monks. It is important to have both sanctity and redemption, however. Using other civilizations - we might call this the MUSH (for Monk rUSH) In team games, having a Byzantine ally makes this strategy amazingly effective. Your monk army is nearly invincible, since the Byzantine team bonus is 3x faster healing If the enemy defends with tower, we can quickly switch to producing rams. How can we improve counters to this strategy? Towers are the only real defensive measure. Monks have a range of 9 and towers have a range of 8. It is possible to keep monks away using a few towers. The SMUSH economy is very lean and there are no defenses at home. Making a few archers and sending them to the SMUSHers base could devastate him, especially if you do it early enough. In team games, your ally can castle rush the SMUSHer and crush his economy. In team games it is vitally important that your ally also rush the other opponent to prevent aid FROM coming and hurting you. What this means is that against a SMUSH, you will either need to defend with towers, or attack with feudal units. Units defending at home are likely to get converted and used against you. His monks are a poor target unless you can wipe all of them out. You are better off attacking his base.) Since towers are generally a losing proposition when used at home in defense, attacking with feudal age troops will most likely be the best defense. Sheriff's step-by-step plan is very simple and can be executed by almost anyone. Your performance may vary based on the map, number of resources, your opponent, and other evils that befall you. Note that this is not against a computer; this is a real game with real opponents with real lag. You will notice many mistakes and areas where he could have improved. The Smush Page 2 >> Jump to topPrint this article Comments: 06.11.06 22:27 - what is the source, where is the rec? 07.11.06 18:23 - Soosi Shanks from empireslegacy got this from somewhere, dunno where. 16.12.06 14:46 - Soosi Ok, found the record, attached on the second page. 20.12.06 18:46 - Narse this strat is for age of kings, how does it work on conquerors? 20.12.06 22:30 - Conqueror well this is good if ur playing 1v1 or even 2v2 but its not effective in 3v3 or 4v4.... 23.12.06 07:19 - Narse how about this strat against some archers? sure it would work? 07.02.07 09:04 - phaeton i prefer the aztec one =] 24.06.07 05:57 - What about scouts? Bonus vs. monks 07.03.08 14:50 - human by the time he reaches castle age ....there will be enough towers around his base and mines that it would be difficult for him to survive....use tower rush to counter as simple.... keep 3 villagers on mine stone from the time you are just going to advance in feudal age 08.03.08 21:10 - Mosquito This strategy is excellent if executed properly. I recently hosted a LAN party and used this strategy combined with a teammates knight rush and managed to march around the map. Wasn't expecting it to work so well. Have the monk rusher add in some archers, and the knight rusher take care of seige, and you're set. 08.03.08 21:12 - Mosquito For the record, it was AoE2 with conquerers expansion patch 1.0C. I modified this strategy so I castled a little later, and had more resources available to be on pace with the knight rush. 18.03.08 18:44 - ashish who will protect monks from enemy military 22.03.08 04:38 - Mosquito That early in the game, the monks themselves do. If you do it right you should be hitting them around 17-18 minutes in with the monks and at that point they shouldn't have much for military, if they do, convert what you can and turn them on themselves. It is actually pretty effective. 23.04.08 00:00 - Jer I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work? 23.04.08 00:11 - Jer I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work? 07.05.08 12:09 - rikos Stop the game and go to fish 03.06.08 20:00 - .. just counter with teuton scouts (teutons if you know enemy is gonna smush) 05.07.08 13:43 - martin heey, I have tried to play the download with age of kings, Aoe2 Conquerors orginal and Aoe2 Conquerors 1.0c patch. Nothing is working:( What can I do? 22.07.08 21:07 - jose actually, the download WORKS 22.08.08 13:31 - pure saracen how do u fix the prob with wrong .exe or .dat file if no1 nos does any1 have it working if so could u record with hypercam and tell me so i can give u my email and u can send it to me. plzz ths would be so kind 23.08.08 20:50 - Ritwik dude this is the sexiest thng tht aoe will see i mean the craziness and the fking speed of this attack is nut i mean imagine u dont even lose ne thng plus u convert his villagers at the cost of wat.. nothing amazing man .. who ever thought of this strategy hats off dude.. its almost invincible if played rite but ya if ur dumb enuf to screw up the basics then u'll get raped 08.09.08 05:57 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! ehh.. baje el archivo pero como carajos lo veo?? translation.. i did download the file, but how the fuck i am supossed to watch it? 09.09.08 02:09 - im sorry actually, in the attached file u will find only an image of walls spelling 'fuck yourself' 09.09.08 05:08 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! so,it was all a joke?.. did anyone find any recorded game from The Sheriff?? plz letme know!! 09.09.08 19:32 - XXX_SQUAD This rec works only with unpatched AoK, not any version of Aoc. FFS, this game was played in 2000, then AoC was not released. It's worth watching a 100 times over. You will never get bored. 09.09.08 19:33 - XXX_SQUAD http://www.mrfixitonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=3729 You can also try this. 10.09.08 19:23 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! thats nice!!, but!! i cant neither watch it,i do own non patched aok version but doesnt work it drops an error on exe nor dat files, any program to watch recorded game files? and yes i do google it :P 17.09.08 19:01 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! Ok, i just read the strategy, i dont even look at the recorded game, and it worked GREAT!! i castle in 15 min(have to practice)i kicked the ass of 6 pikemen with 4 monks(converted 4, and those 4 kicked the other 2 lol) then i used 4 pikemen and 4 monk and still converting villager, army(by convertion, houses too!) and adding monk to the crew :D!! yay! thanx for all i win in about 27 mins 17.09.08 19:03 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! and YES vs a human player!! then i played again 2v2 and win again :P booyaa!! 26.09.08 09:52 - manish i waana play online game come challenge me manish_thapa4@yahoo.com 19.10.08 00:53 - Odd Hey, can you make a Recorded game for conquerors? 21.10.08 16:39 - Destroyer Why are you abandoning aoe 2 msn zone? It's sad... We are playing aoe 3 TAD, but, ever is good to play aoe 2... 29.10.08 00:06 - AlexanderTGreat Go to IGZONES.COM to play age of empires online over 1000 members active every day :D 03.11.08 11:34 - Odd Hey, I want to play aoe2 online but I dont now how? I tryed the msn zone, but I cant find aoe2 there. 02.04.09 21:54 - Credive The best civilization is no doubt the Aztecs. Their monk-bonuses is one thing, but they also have the eagle warrior which will easily slay any scout that tries an attack. 23.04.09 04:56 - Tu_khan I've read your opinions and hope it works fine... But how can I get castle 13.30(I think it is very short) My usual castle time is 18 and generate knights. Let me know way to get castle faster even if you have random civilization 18.06.09 21:43 - Yoshlazer I killed the computer on hardest with this strategy! and that was only practice. 18.07.09 07:19 - Bobert R. What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick? 18.07.09 07:26 - Bobert R. What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick? 08.10.09 13:09 - Stoned Can anyone tell me how to do a monk rush...which civ is best for the monk rush? 18.03.10 14:49 - dk any1 who wants to see another recored just search smush aoe on youtube.... the sheriffs famous smush is there 28.04.10 21:13 - hmmm I cant load the demo.. 21.06.10 09:59 - saharsh my email id is saharshbagaria@yahoo.co.in plzz send me recorded games so that i can improve 11.12.10 11:17 - Massive_atacK Ye strat excellent but anywone now how to see this rec? :) 20.03.11 17:18 - gccnmvmk There's no need for a record, I defeated a computer in hardest with this tactic (1 vs 1) in my first try. Just write the instructions on a paper and see it during the game. 23.03.11 03:11 - castles U could trade wood 4 stone,etc if u run out of resources..... 17.08.11 00:56 - Luke Okay, I am really curious and want an answer about the whole monks thing, why are we supposed to build monks??? RANDOM!!! 19.08.11 23:20 - David Rutter, lol I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL FIFA 12 COMES OUT... I LOVE EA SPORTS FOOTBALL I ALSO LOVE WALMART!!! Always go their to shop if you are going to... 10.12.11 01:19 - Secret Santa a b c d e f g h i j k l m o p q r s t u v w x y z 10.12.11 01:20 - Front page: Index Now reading: The Smush Sitemap: Front page: Index Now reading: The Smush Sitemap: Sitemap Random Map Tactics: 20 Eagles in 20 minutes 20 Knights in 20 minutes Ak-47 Mongol rush Briton Archer Flush Mayan Drush Scout Rush Tips The Saracen Scout Rush The Smush Road to Expert: Step 1 - Introduction Step 2 - Data Tables and Times Step 3 - Economy Upgrades Step 4 - Nomad Step 5 - Land Nomad Step 6 - Grush and Island Strategies Guides: Cheats Psychological Warfare Civilizations: The Aztecs The Britons The Koreans The Mayans Interviews: Interview with toree Contact: tonihegmail.com Link to this page: Age of Empires 2: The Conquerors Tactics & Guides -> Random Map -> The Smush -> Page 1 9 votes The Smush The Smush Page 2 >> As castle times get faster and faster we begin bumping up into the theoretical limit at how fast you can be and still have sufficient resources to attack your enemy. As was demonstrated in the castle time challenge, practical castle times can be as 12:00 or lower, given sufficient time to micromanage events. However castling too fast leaves weak and unable to develop sufficient military to take advantage of your speed. It makes sense that there is some optimal time for castling that allows speed but also sufficient economy. So far that optimal time was around 15:30 or so. However, while puttering around at Microsoft, Sheriff has been working on some killer new strategies to whomp on his fellow testers. One of those strategies is his Saracen monk rush - which we now reveal to the rest of the AOK world. This new strategy seems to lower the boom on the old thoughts of size of economy necessary to support an offensive, especially when castle times are now two full minutes below the old times. In real games, defeating real opponents, Sheriff has achieved castle times of under 13:30! This article explains the general concept, contains a recorded game example in action (against real opponents), and the follows with some broader implications for AOK strategy. Sheriff's step-by-step actions are presented at the end for those that cannot review the game or want more detail. The concept is basically four-fold: At first, we Feudal early with only 19 villagers. Secondly, using the market, we can improve the Saracen's early economy by trading our initial stone for wood and food, improving our castle time significantly. This is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Next we mine stone almost exclusively, trading it away for gold, which we can then use to buy some extra wood for our castle buildings. Again, this is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Finally, we use monks, en masse, which have no counter this early in the game, and allow us to focus most of our entire economy on gold. How can we improve this strategy? Fewer or more villagers do not seem to improve performance significantly. Fewer villagers do not lower time to castle and more villagers delays the assault. Other civilizations are possible choices for this strategy, but it would have to be modified to account for poorer market-trading performance. For example, Chinese should be able to get to castle very early and they could also make only monks. It is important to have both sanctity and redemption, however. Using other civilizations - we might call this the MUSH (for Monk rUSH) In team games, having a Byzantine ally makes this strategy amazingly effective. Your monk army is nearly invincible, since the Byzantine team bonus is 3x faster healing If the enemy defends with tower, we can quickly switch to producing rams. How can we improve counters to this strategy? Towers are the only real defensive measure. Monks have a range of 9 and towers have a range of 8. It is possible to keep monks away using a few towers. The SMUSH economy is very lean and there are no defenses at home. Making a few archers and sending them to the SMUSHers base could devastate him, especially if you do it early enough. In team games, your ally can castle rush the SMUSHer and crush his economy. In team games it is vitally important that your ally also rush the other opponent to prevent aid FROM coming and hurting you. What this means is that against a SMUSH, you will either need to defend with towers, or attack with feudal units. Units defending at home are likely to get converted and used against you. His monks are a poor target unless you can wipe all of them out. You are better off attacking his base.) Since towers are generally a losing proposition when used at home in defense, attacking with feudal age troops will most likely be the best defense. Sheriff's step-by-step plan is very simple and can be executed by almost anyone. Your performance may vary based on the map, number of resources, your opponent, and other evils that befall you. Note that this is not against a computer; this is a real game with real opponents with real lag. You will notice many mistakes and areas where he could have improved. The Smush Page 2 >> Jump to topPrint this article Comments: 06.11.06 22:27 - what is the source, where is the rec? 07.11.06 18:23 - Soosi Shanks from empireslegacy got this from somewhere, dunno where. 16.12.06 14:46 - Soosi Ok, found the record, attached on the second page. 20.12.06 18:46 - Narse this strat is for age of kings, how does it work on conquerors? 20.12.06 22:30 - Conqueror well this is good if ur playing 1v1 or even 2v2 but its not effective in 3v3 or 4v4.... 23.12.06 07:19 - Narse how about this strat against some archers? sure it would work? 07.02.07 09:04 - phaeton i prefer the aztec one =] 24.06.07 05:57 - What about scouts? Bonus vs. monks 07.03.08 14:50 - human by the time he reaches castle age ....there will be enough towers around his base and mines that it would be difficult for him to survive....use tower rush to counter as simple.... keep 3 villagers on mine stone from the time you are just going to advance in feudal age 08.03.08 21:10 - Mosquito This strategy is excellent if executed properly. I recently hosted a LAN party and used this strategy combined with a teammates knight rush and managed to march around the map. Wasn't expecting it to work so well. Have the monk rusher add in some archers, and the knight rusher take care of seige, and you're set. 08.03.08 21:12 - Mosquito For the record, it was AoE2 with conquerers expansion patch 1.0C. I modified this strategy so I castled a little later, and had more resources available to be on pace with the knight rush. 18.03.08 18:44 - ashish who will protect monks from enemy military 22.03.08 04:38 - Mosquito That early in the game, the monks themselves do. If you do it right you should be hitting them around 17-18 minutes in with the monks and at that point they shouldn't have much for military, if they do, convert what you can and turn them on themselves. It is actually pretty effective. 23.04.08 00:00 - Jer I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work? 23.04.08 00:11 - Jer I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work? 07.05.08 12:09 - rikos Stop the game and go to fish 03.06.08 20:00 - .. just counter with teuton scouts (teutons if you know enemy is gonna smush) 05.07.08 13:43 - martin heey, I have tried to play the download with age of kings, Aoe2 Conquerors orginal and Aoe2 Conquerors 1.0c patch. Nothing is working:( What can I do? 22.07.08 21:07 - jose actually, the download WORKS 22.08.08 13:31 - pure saracen how do u fix the prob with wrong .exe or .dat file if no1 nos does any1 have it working if so could u record with hypercam and tell me so i can give u my email and u can send it to me. plzz ths would be so kind 23.08.08 20:50 - Ritwik dude this is the sexiest thng tht aoe will see i mean the craziness and the fking speed of this attack is nut i mean imagine u dont even lose ne thng plus u convert his villagers at the cost of wat.. nothing amazing man .. who ever thought of this strategy hats off dude.. its almost invincible if played rite but ya if ur dumb enuf to screw up the basics then u'll get raped 08.09.08 05:57 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! ehh.. baje el archivo pero como carajos lo veo?? translation.. i did download the file, but how the fuck i am supossed to watch it? 09.09.08 02:09 - im sorry actually, in the attached file u will find only an image of walls spelling 'fuck yourself' 09.09.08 05:08 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! so,it was all a joke?.. did anyone find any recorded game from The Sheriff?? plz letme know!! 09.09.08 19:32 - XXX_SQUAD This rec works only with unpatched AoK, not any version of Aoc. FFS, this game was played in 2000, then AoC was not released. It's worth watching a 100 times over. You will never get bored. 09.09.08 19:33 - XXX_SQUAD http://www.mrfixitonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=3729 You can also try this. 10.09.08 19:23 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! thats nice!!, but!! i cant neither watch it,i do own non patched aok version but doesnt work it drops an error on exe nor dat files, any program to watch recorded game files? and yes i do google it :P 17.09.08 19:01 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! Ok, i just read the strategy, i dont even look at the recorded game, and it worked GREAT!! i castle in 15 min(have to practice)i kicked the ass of 6 pikemen with 4 monks(converted 4, and those 4 kicked the other 2 lol) then i used 4 pikemen and 4 monk and still converting villager, army(by convertion, houses too!) and adding monk to the crew :D!! yay! thanx for all i win in about 27 mins 17.09.08 19:03 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! and YES vs a human player!! then i played again 2v2 and win again :P booyaa!! 26.09.08 09:52 - manish i waana play online game come challenge me manish_thapa4@yahoo.com 19.10.08 00:53 - Odd Hey, can you make a Recorded game for conquerors? 21.10.08 16:39 - Destroyer Why are you abandoning aoe 2 msn zone? It's sad... We are playing aoe 3 TAD, but, ever is good to play aoe 2... 29.10.08 00:06 - AlexanderTGreat Go to IGZONES.COM to play age of empires online over 1000 members active every day :D 03.11.08 11:34 - Odd Hey, I want to play aoe2 online but I dont now how? I tryed the msn zone, but I cant find aoe2 there. 02.04.09 21:54 - Credive The best civilization is no doubt the Aztecs. Their monk-bonuses is one thing, but they also have the eagle warrior which will easily slay any scout that tries an attack. 23.04.09 04:56 - Tu_khan I've read your opinions and hope it works fine... But how can I get castle 13.30(I think it is very short) My usual castle time is 18 and generate knights. Let me know way to get castle faster even if you have random civilization 18.06.09 21:43 - Yoshlazer I killed the computer on hardest with this strategy! and that was only practice. 18.07.09 07:19 - Bobert R. What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick? 18.07.09 07:26 - Bobert R. What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick? 08.10.09 13:09 - Stoned Can anyone tell me how to do a monk rush...which civ is best for the monk rush? 18.03.10 14:49 - dk any1 who wants to see another recored just search smush aoe on youtube.... the sheriffs famous smush is there 28.04.10 21:13 - hmmm I cant load the demo.. 21.06.10 09:59 - saharsh my email id is saharshbagaria@yahoo.co.in plzz send me recorded games so that i can improve 11.12.10 11:17 - Massive_atacK Ye strat excellent but anywone now how to see this rec? :) 20.03.11 17:18 - gccnmvmk There's no need for a record, I defeated a computer in hardest with this tactic (1 vs 1) in my first try. Just write the instructions on a paper and see it during the game. 23.03.11 03:11 - castles U could trade wood 4 stone,etc if u run out of resources..... 17.08.11 00:56 - Luke Okay, I am really curious and want an answer about the whole monks thing, why are we supposed to build monks??? RANDOM!!! 19.08.11 23:20 - David Rutter, lol I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL FIFA 12 COMES OUT... I LOVE EA SPORTS FOOTBALL I ALSO LOVE WALMART!!! Always go their to sh Front page: Index Now reading: The Smush Sitemap: Sitemap Random Map Tactics: 20 Eagles in 20 minutes 20 Knights in 20 minutes Ak-47 Mongol rush Briton Archer Flush Mayan Drush Scout Rush Tips The Saracen Scout Rush The Smush Road to Expert: Step 1 - Introduction Step 2 - Data Tables and Times Step 3 - Economy Upgrades Step 4 - Nomad Step 5 - Land Nomad Step 6 - Grush and Island Strategies Guides: Cheats Psychological Warfare Civilizations: The Aztecs The Britons The Koreans The Mayans Interviews: Interview with toree Contact: tonihegmail.com Link to this page: Age of Empires 2: The Conquerors Tactics & Guides -> Random Map -> The Smush -> Page 1 9 votes The Smush The Smush Page 2 >> As castle times get faster and faster we begin bumping up into the theoretical limit at how fast you can be and still have sufficient resources to attack your enemy. As was demonstrated in the castle time challenge, practical castle times can be as 12:00 or lower, given sufficient time to micromanage events. However castling too fast leaves weak and unable to develop sufficient military to take advantage of your speed. It makes sense that there is some optimal time for castling that allows speed but also sufficient economy. So far that optimal time was around 15:30 or so. However, while puttering around at Microsoft, Sheriff has been working on some killer new strategies to whomp on his fellow testers. One of those strategies is his Saracen monk rush - which we now reveal to the rest of the AOK world. This new strategy seems to lower the boom on the old thoughts of size of economy necessary to support an offensive, especially when castle times are now two full minutes below the old times. In real games, defeating real opponents, Sheriff has achieved castle times of under 13:30! This article explains the general concept, contains a recorded game example in action (against real opponents), and the follows with some broader implications for AOK strategy. Sheriff's step-by-step actions are presented at the end for those that cannot review the game or want more detail. The concept is basically four-fold: At first, we Feudal early with only 19 villagers. Secondly, using the market, we can improve the Saracen's early economy by trading our initial stone for wood and food, improving our castle time significantly. This is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Next we mine stone almost exclusively, trading it away for gold, which we can then use to buy some extra wood for our castle buildings. Again, this is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Finally, we use monks, en masse, which have no counter this early in the game, and allow us to focus most of our entire economy on gold. How can we improve this strategy? Fewer or more villagers do not seem to improve performance significantly. Fewer villagers do not lower time to castle and more villagers delays the assault. Other civilizations are possible choices for this strategy, but it would have to be modified to account for poorer market-trading performance. For example, Chinese should be able to get to castle very early and they could also make only monks. It is important to have both sanctity and redemption, however. Using other civilizations - we might call this the MUSH (for Monk rUSH) In team games, having a Byzantine ally makes this strategy amazingly effective. Your monk army is nearly invincible, since the Byzantine team bonus is 3x faster healing If the enemy defends with tower, we can quickly switch to producing rams. How can we improve counters to this strategy? Towers are the only real defensive measure. Monks have a range of 9 and towers have a range of 8. It is possible to keep monks away using a few towers. The SMUSH economy is very lean and there are no defenses at home. Making a few archers and sending them to the SMUSHers base could devastate him, especially if you do it early enough. In team games, your ally can castle rush the SMUSHer and crush his economy. In team games it is vitally important that your ally also rush the other opponent to prevent aid FROM coming and hurting you. What this means is that against a SMUSH, you will either need to defend with towers, or attack with feudal units. Units defending at home are likely to get converted and used against you. His monks are a poor target unless you can wipe all of them out. You are better off attacking his base.) Since towers are generally a losing proposition when used at home in defense, attacking with feudal age troops will most likely be the best defense. Sheriff's step-by-step plan is very simple and can be executed by almost anyone. Your performance may vary based on the map, number of resources, your opponent, and other evils that befall you. Note that this is not against a computer; this is a real game with real opponents with real lag. You will notice many mistakes and areas where he could have improved. The Smush Page 2 >> Jump to topPrint this article Comments: 06.11.06 22:27 - what is the source, where is the rec? 07.11.06 18:23 - Soosi Shanks from empireslegacy got this from somewhere, dunno where. 16.12.06 14:46 - Soosi Ok, found the record, attached on the second page. 20.12.06 18:46 - Narse this strat is for age of kings, how does it work on conquerors? 20.12.06 22:30 - Conqueror well this is good if ur playing 1v1 or even 2v2 but its not effective in 3v3 or 4v4.... 23.12.06 07:19 - Narse how about this strat against some archers? sure it would work? 07.02.07 09:04 - phaeton i prefer the aztec one =] 24.06.07 05:57 - What about scouts? Bonus vs. monks 07.03.08 14:50 - human by the time he reaches castle age ....there will be enough towers around his base and mines that it would be difficult for him to survive....use tower rush to counter as simple.... keep 3 villagers on mine stone from the time you are just going to advance in feudal age 08.03.08 21:10 - Mosquito This strategy is excellent if executed properly. I recently hosted a LAN party and used this strategy combined with a teammates knight rush and managed to march around the map. Wasn't expecting it to work so well. Have the monk rusher add in some archers, and the knight rusher take care of seige, and you're set. 08.03.08 21:12 - Mosquito For the record, it was AoE2 with conquerers expansion patch 1.0C. I modified this strategy so I castled a little later, and had more resources available to be on pace with the knight rush. 18.03.08 18:44 - ashish who will protect monks from enemy military 22.03.08 04:38 - Mosquito That early in the game, the monks themselves do. If you do it right you should be hitting them around 17-18 minutes in with the monks and at that point they shouldn't have much for military, if they do, convert what you can and turn them on themselves. It is actually pretty effective. 23.04.08 00:00 - Jer I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work? 23.04.08 00:11 - Jer I have tried running the recorded version of this game and cannot seem the get it to work. It says that I have the wrong .exe or .dat file version. Any Ideas on how to get this to work? 07.05.08 12:09 - rikos Stop the game and go to fish 03.06.08 20:00 - .. just counter with teuton scouts (teutons if you know enemy is gonna smush) 05.07.08 13:43 - martin heey, I have tried to play the download with age of kings, Aoe2 Conquerors orginal and Aoe2 Conquerors 1.0c patch. Nothing is working:( What can I do? 22.07.08 21:07 - jose actually, the download WORKS 22.08.08 13:31 - pure saracen how do u fix the prob with wrong .exe or .dat file if no1 nos does any1 have it working if so could u record with hypercam and tell me so i can give u my email and u can send it to me. plzz ths would be so kind 23.08.08 20:50 - Ritwik dude this is the sexiest thng tht aoe will see i mean the craziness and the fking speed of this attack is nut i mean imagine u dont even lose ne thng plus u convert his villagers at the cost of wat.. nothing amazing man .. who ever thought of this strategy hats off dude.. its almost invincible if played rite but ya if ur dumb enuf to screw up the basics then u'll get raped 08.09.08 05:57 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! ehh.. baje el archivo pero como carajos lo veo?? translation.. i did download the file, but how the fuck i am supossed to watch it? 09.09.08 02:09 - im sorry actually, in the attached file u will find only an image of walls spelling 'fuck yourself' 09.09.08 05:08 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! so,it was all a joke?.. did anyone find any recorded game from The Sheriff?? plz letme know!! 09.09.08 19:32 - XXX_SQUAD This rec works only with unpatched AoK, not any version of Aoc. FFS, this game was played in 2000, then AoC was not released. It's worth watching a 100 times over. You will never get bored. 09.09.08 19:33 - XXX_SQUAD http://www.mrfixitonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=3729 You can also try this. 10.09.08 19:23 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! thats nice!!, but!! i cant neither watch it,i do own non patched aok version but doesnt work it drops an error on exe nor dat files, any program to watch recorded game files? and yes i do google it :P 17.09.08 19:01 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! Ok, i just read the strategy, i dont even look at the recorded game, and it worked GREAT!! i castle in 15 min(have to practice)i kicked the ass of 6 pikemen with 4 monks(converted 4, and those 4 kicked the other 2 lol) then i used 4 pikemen and 4 monk and still converting villager, army(by convertion, houses too!) and adding monk to the crew :D!! yay! thanx for all i win in about 27 mins 17.09.08 19:03 - V!vaLaRevolucion!! and YES vs a human player!! then i played again 2v2 and win again :P booyaa!! 26.09.08 09:52 - manish i waana play online game come challenge me manish_thapa4@yahoo.com 19.10.08 00:53 - Odd Hey, can you make a Recorded game for conquerors? 21.10.08 16:39 - Destroyer Why are you abandoning aoe 2 msn zone? It's sad... We are playing aoe 3 TAD, but, ever is good to play aoe 2... 29.10.08 00:06 - AlexanderTGreat Go to IGZONES.COM to play age of empires online over 1000 members active every day :D 03.11.08 11:34 - Odd Hey, I want to play aoe2 online but I dont now how? I tryed the msn zone, but I cant find aoe2 there. 02.04.09 21:54 - Credive The best civilization is no doubt the Aztecs. Their monk-bonuses is one thing, but they also have the eagle warrior which will easily slay any scout that tries an attack. 23.04.09 04:56 - Tu_khan I've read your opinions and hope it works fine... But how can I get castle 13.30(I think it is very short) My usual castle time is 18 and generate knights. Let me know way to get castle faster even if you have random civilization 18.06.09 21:43 - Yoshlazer I killed the computer on hardest with this strategy! and that was only practice. 18.07.09 07:19 - Bobert R. What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick? 18.07.09 07:26 - Bobert R. What if the person gets a palisade up? I usually try to get a wall up by like 8 min. so how do make this work against someone who walls quick? 08.10.09 13:09 - Stoned Can anyone tell me how to do a monk rush...which civ is best for the monk rush? 18.03.10 14:49 - dk any1 who wants to see another recored just search smush aoe on youtube.... the sheriffs famous smush is there 28.04.10 21:13 - hmmm I cant load the demo.. 21.06.10 09:59 - saharsh my email id is saharshbagaria@yahoo.co.in plzz send me recorded games so that i can improve 11.12.10 11:17 - Massive_atacK Ye strat excellent but anywone now how to see this rec? :) 20.03.11 17:18 - gccnmvmk There's no need for a record, I defeated a computer in hardest with this tactic (1 vs 1) in my first try. Just write the instructions on a paper and see it during the game. 23.03.11 03:11 - castles U could trade wood 4 stone,etc if u run out of resources..... 17.08.11 00:56 - Luke Okay, I am really curious and want an answer about the whole monks thing, why are we supposed to build monks??? RANDOM!!! 19.08.11 23:20 - David Rutter, lol I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL FIFA 12 COMES OUT... I LOVE EA SPORTS FOOTBALL I ALSO LOVE WALMART!!! Always go their to shop if you are going to... 10.12.11 01:19 - Secret Santa a b c d e f g h i j k l m o p q r s t u v w x y z 10.12.11 01:20 - Front page: Index Now reading: The Smush Sitemap: Front page: Index Now reading: The Smush Sitemap: Sitemap Random Map Tactics: 20 Eagles in 20 minutes 20 Knights in 20 minutes Ak-47 Mongol rush Briton Archer Flush Mayan Drush Scout Rush Tips The Saracen Scout Rush The Smush Road to Expert: Step 1 - Introduction Step 2 - Data Tables and Times Step 3 - Economy Upgrades Step 4 - Nomad Step 5 - Land Nomad Step 6 - Grush and Island Strategies Guides: Cheats Psychological Warfare Civilizations: The Aztecs The Britons The Koreans The Mayans Interviews: Interview with toree Contact: tonihegmail.com Link to this page: Age of Empires 2: The Conquerors Tactics & Guides -> Random Map -> The Smush -> Page 1 9 votes The Smush The Smush Page 2 >> As castle times get faster and faster we begin bumping up into the theoretical limit at how fast you can be and still have sufficient resources to attack your enemy. As was demonstrated in the castle time challenge, practical castle times can be as 12:00 or lower, given sufficient time to micromanage events. However castling too fast leaves weak and unable to develop sufficient military to take advantage of your speed. It makes sense that there is some optimal time for castling that allows speed but also sufficient economy. So far that optimal time was around 15:30 or so. However, while puttering around at Microsoft, Sheriff has been working on some killer new strategies to whomp on his fellow testers. One of those strategies is his Saracen monk rush - which we now reveal to the rest of the AOK world. This new strategy seems to lower the boom on the old thoughts of size of economy necessary to support an offensive, especially when castle times are now two full minutes below the old times. In real games, defeating real opponents, Sheriff has achieved castle times of under 13:30! This article explains the general concept, contains a recorded game example in action (against real opponents), and the follows with some broader implications for AOK strategy. Sheriff's step-by-step actions are presented at the end for those that cannot review the game or want more detail. The concept is basically four-fold: At first, we Feudal early with only 19 villagers. Secondly, using the market, we can improve the Saracen's early economy by trading our initial stone for wood and food, improving our castle time significantly. This is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Next we mine stone almost exclusively, trading it away for gold, which we can then use to buy some extra wood for our castle buildings. Again, this is why we use Saracens: their rates are better. Finally, we use monks, en masse, which have no counter this early in the game, and allow us to focu

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